Actually, Wisconsin is in a worse position than it was a year ago. The state has, since Walker's budget was implemented, frequently led the nation in job losses. Actual losses. That's why revenues are down.

But the reality is that a $143 million deficit is small and can be dealt with by taking reasonable steps, such as returning corporate tax rates to where they were when Wisconsin was actually adding jobs.There is no reason to panic, or to take drastic measures in regard to a $143 million shortfall.Just as there was no reason to panic, or to take drastic measures, in regard to a $137 million shortfall.

Looks like the same donors that donated to Darling. Little do they know that they will be requested to use those donations for his legal defense.

So far, that little meme is an epic fail. In one month, Walker has cost Wisconsin 2,300 jobs, 800 of them from the private sector and unemployment rose this month to 7.9 percent. To put this in perspective, the Republicans claim Obama is a failure because there was an overall zero job growth last month for the country. However, when we parsed those numbers, we found that under Obama, we had private sector job growth that was zeroed out by public sector job losses, due in large part to Republican job killing measures of the public sector in numerous Republican led states.So, zero job growth is an epic fail, but 2,300 jobs lost is a success.

That's a good point. I wonder how many of these Walker supporters actually created jobs? Might be a good task for some enterprising individual.

Well since they all are not a one man show all of them have created jobs Keith, all of them.

I wonder how many are taking the 'handouts' and have no intention to pay it back.

Walker has brought lots of money and jobs to Wisconsin! Without him, we would not have the recall industry and the related jobs it creates and sustains here: advertising, travel, news media, election officials, priting, police, lawyers, etc. Walker was a godsend! YUM, all that outside and fatcat money, does it get any better. Now if we can only have a Republican primary here that is still in doubt, and we get a flood of national attention.

Like I said Steve, it would be interesting to see how many jobs these contributors have created since Walker's policies came into six months ago.

It was their money that paid for the ads that convinced people that jobs would grow under Walker. It is only right to see if in fact they - the so-called job creators - actually stepped up to do it. That way, when again they run ads for Walker claiming "it's working" we will find out how much they did to make it happen - and how much cash their companies are sitting on.

Hey Milwaukee JS! A story idea.

Keith is not going to answer to his shortcomings. He is your typical lefty. Handouts are what he is about. He is not going to pay anything back. Keith, like most lefties, believes he was owed and deserved a handout. Thus, why shall he have to pay it back?

Job creators? Hmmm
Corporations don't creat jobs. It's the demand for their products. Certainly if their products are of poor quality the demand goes down but in the end, it's the economy that ultimately creates more jobs. I suppose if the demand for porn increases Quad graphics will add jobs but didn't they cut jobs recently?

Agree

Where you been hiding CowDung

Petitions names ARE posted by GAB-along with their STREET addresses!

Not searchable mist. Just 1 million fake signatures all jumbled together in many pdf files.

Yes, morninmist. As Steve mentioned, the GAB posted database is not searchable and was posted despite opposition from many on the left. My point was that we don't hear anyone on your side making the same kind of complaints about posting Walker donor information online...

Glad they did post them. Now we know who not to patronize in the future.

I'm sure the folks at Fabco, Super Steel, Rite-Hite and Charter will be devastated by that news, Trina.

Trina makes a good point. This is why the recall signatures need to be a searchable database- so we can not patronize the businesses owned by anyone who signed.
Oh wait; most of them aren't contributing to society anyway, let alone creating jobs for your neighbors!

I need it searchable so I know who not to hire, I can't have someone that wants to leech off my business and hard work.
Strange that political donations are public, your vote is private donations should be as well.

Another fine white whine. How do we even know you have a business?

You know it is funny Steve. In discussions with human resource people when the subject comes up, it is the right winger employees who are not only the biggest whiners and slackers, but disruptive because they are constantly talking politics, going on line to check out blogs and are the hardest to work with because they tend not to get along with people.

Keith: How many people do you employ with your ill gotten booty?
How much of that did you pay back?
Silence is golden.

I've really avoided addressing this up because I doubt if you understand the circumstances and discussing it is a fools errand. But this one time it is quite obvious that you are doing it because you think it will be embarrassing and shut me up.

Don't roll that way since I am proud of the effort we all made to try and get this done, especially since the people in the village asked that this be done in the first place. I in now way expect you to understand this because in your mind I've just spoke Swahili.

All this should tell people is that you lack any cogent argument and are only capable of childish taunts. I am sure if we rummaged around in your background we could find lots. Happen all the time with righties.

But of course you aren't going to identify yourself little man.

That's all for now. You may go.

You typed a lot of characters without saying anything.

I was hoping you would defend yourself and shed some light on what others were hurling at you as insults on another thread.
I have only heard one side of the story, and an abbreviated version at that.
My intentions were right, my method was unorthodox at best.
I have not looked you up on CCAP, have no intention of doing so. Not that the accusations would be there anyways.

Time will tell Cow. When people close their wallets to these business's the only other alternative is for all of you loyal Walker supports on here is to open your wallets and pour all of your cash into their corporations. Kohler toilets for example are not the only dump pots manufactured in the U.S. check the Menard's adds. So in the long run will the small contributions that they make now help them to flourish or close ?

In 2011, Gov. Scott Walker saw a $137 million budget shortfall as evidence of fiscal failure. He portrayed it as a crisis that demanded passage of a "budget repair" bill that attacked collective bargaining rights, the civil service system and local democracy.
Now, a year later, the Legislative Fiscal Bureau reports that Wisconsin faces a $143 million deficit.
Walker's response?The governor now looks at a larger shortfall than Wisconsin experienced last year and says: "When compared to the past and to other states, Wisconsin is heading in the right direction."Actually, Wisconsin is in a worse position than it was a year ago. The state has, since Walker's budget was implemented, frequently led the nation in job losses. Actual losses. That's why revenues are down.

The assumption here is that recalls are so easy, which they aren't. As bad as you claim Doyle was you guys weren't able to mount a recall.

This assertion that we will be having endless is vapid reason and one that should be dismissed. What you are afraid of is the the scale of the fury against Walker shows the state, nation, world how much these policies generate revulsion and get normally placated people to get out of their seats and into the streets.

Yeah, I can see why you are worried. You should be. Bob Rumsfeld, your 15 minutes are up.

And I can see why the LEFT is so motivated. They fear cuts in entitlements on a federal level. Heaven forbid if we get someone decent in the White House who actually believes in spending cuts and balanced budgets.

Nothing that is searchable. Unlike this posting of donors.

"We are posting..."? Do you work for the GAB?

So this will be in alphabetical order and searchable? In this day of technology it should be a given no matter which side you are on. Ask google, for a small fee they could do it in a few minutes. As a registed voter of WI we should have a right to make sure our voting right is not going to be disinfranchised because a large group of bullies don't like that the outcome was not in our favor.

@lu -- Check into the technology for converting scanned handwritten names into editable text. It doesn't exist. If volunteers want to use the posted pdfs to enter that data by hand, I say, knock yourselves out.

Didn't the GAB just spend lots of money on a software package that they claimed could do that?

It does, we have been through this. It's called OCR and has been around for a while now. The post office uses it every day you really think they route all that mail by hand?
We're not looking for editable text, just converted from hand writing into a searchable document.

@Steve & CowDung -- Someone linked me to the Wikipedia article on OCR, which said that the OCR for scanning handwritten, cursive and Asian characters is still under development. Currently OCR works for scanned copies of printed material.

In order for a list to be 'searched' it has to be 'editable text'. Even more so if you want to make a database file from it.

PS -- here is the relevant quote: " Recognition of Latin-script, typewritten text is still not 100% accurate even where clear imaging is available. One study based on recognition of 19th- and early 20th-century newspaper pages concluded that character-by-character OCR accuracy for commercial OCR software varied from 71% to 98%;[2] total accuracy can be achieved only by human review. Other areas—including recognition of hand printing, cursive handwriting, and printed text in other scripts (especially those East Asian language characters which have many strokes for a single character)—are still the subject of active research."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_character_recognition#Current_state_of_OCR_technology

USPS sorts hand written mail with a computer reading the address."current reading success rates are above 90 percent."

Doyle GAB is too partisan to get this done. They would rather see the recall.

Randy:

What percentage of recall petition signers printed their names in Kanji? Getting hung up on the 'still in development' for Asian characters is really beside the point...

@CowDung -- please read the entire quotation, including " recognition of hand printing,". The names and addresses on the petitions are hand printed and they are signed in cursive. OCR does not yet recognize hand printed material.

@Steve -- optically sorting hand-printed zip-codes with a 90% accuracy is a far cry from turning photos of hand-printed names to a digital data-base where you can type in a search for John Smith and come up with all the John Smiths in the state.

I do not believe OCR would work at all. Most of the names on the list are hard to read and require human reasoning to interpret the actual meaning. OCR may read the name John Smith as Jonn Snitt.
123 Easy Street as 123 East Asy Street.
This would make the database useless.
There is only one way to do it correctly, many man hours and a second opinion when interpreting illegible scribbles.

@Craig -- OCR does that with legible print from a printed source like a newspaper or a typed letter. And then you have to use a spell-check to fix the obvious mistakes. That's just for a text file. Databases are even harder.

@Randy: Can't use spell check for names though. Ethnic first and last names with origin from all over the world?
Only solution: thousands of man hours

That's what I've been saying, Craig. Manual data entry and the creation of a searchable database. Can't be done from the scanned petition sheets. At least not easily.

Bring on the man hours then. GAB allowed this it is their responsibility to check over these petitions correctly especially after the fact there is massive fraud. If it costs one dime under 20 million we saved by not having this silly election.

Steve I agree with you. But the burden of proof is on the candidate being recalled, they have to supply the evidence for each and every contested signature. ie: Joe Blow is dead, and supply the proof.
In other words..
The Government Accountability Board is not accountable. It should be dissolved, as it is useless and a waste of money.

Looks the children here are into internet bullying.

By the way, doin' a heck of a job Scotty -- http://tinyurl.com/7c39bao. In the right wing's foaming at the mouth hatred of unionized public employees, the state's stream of revenue is being pinched.

The geniuses who maintained that reducing public employee pay would lead to more money in taxpayer pockets and a better economy are as usual, wrong.

Craig agreed. GAB should be overhauled or dissolved. The past two years have shown how incompetent it is and how it's sole purpose is to slow down government and muck it up with more bureaucracy.

Keif: Cognitive Dissidence? That is the best you can do? I wasted my time to read a few lines and they are crying about the massive cuts to public employees pay. The detrimental effect of that lost pay on the state's sales tax? COME ON!
Give me $100 and I'll gladly give you $5.10

Thank God you didn't mention colonizing the moon.
:-p

@lu...Space shuttles are not very complicated technology now days. All technology is limited.

OK, Lyle, you just jumped the shark. Seriously? The space shuttle is the most complicated machine ever conceived by man. Still is. It has a million+ parts. A thousand of which are critical such that failure of any one means the failure of the shuttle. Just because it has 40 yr old technology doesn't mean it's nothing special today. Russia's shuttle flew once and now it sits in a park in shambles. No other country has flown a reusable spacecraft. Why so much hate for America and what she produces? We are not the be all end all of technology but we are the most technologically advanced nation on earth. We have won by far the most Nobel prizes. We have a rover tooling around the surface of Mars as we speak that's been there for years. Russia can't even get a spacecraft to Mars, let alone orbit it. And now we have a burgeoning private space industry to boot(and please spare me giving Obama credit for that one).

Virtually every important invention in the last century has come out of the good old US of A. Television, rocketry(yes, Goddard), the transistor, the internet, the laser, atomic energy....Please tell me you were trolling and now are laughing at my long response.

YOU MUST REREAD YOUR POST SLOWLY IT WILL MAKE REALIZE THE ONLY SPACE LEFTIES NEED TO BE CONCERNED WITH IS BETWEEN THIER EARS

Ground Control to Major TOM, your circuit's dead, your capslock's on . . . . . .

Finally some entertainment!

235301, I think Lyle mistook space shuttle for Pizza Shuttle, which really isn't very complicated technology these days.

@235301...LOL, I find that people who think we can solve any problem because of technology, don't understand the limits of technology and the amount of time and money it requires to move it forward. I know how complicated the space shuttle is, I worked on the design of part of the systems (boosters), but the technology now has been surpassed. I don't know where you got the idea that I was anti-American. Nothing I have stated is either anti-technology or anti-American. I am fully aware of the nation's technological accomplishments and our innovative ability is our best hope for moving forward in the future.

@Bob McBride...What's a Pizza Shuttle?

Lyle,

http://www.pizzashuttle.com/

@Lyle: It IS the job of people in technology to be able to imagine the impossible and then go out and make it happen. There has to be an element of risk taking and lack of fear for you to brave failure and ridicule in order to make something happen that you dreamed up in your mind. Once you start feeling the limits of technology you are dead. Just five years ago would you have believed something like Siri would be here with us today? Someone had to have that kernel in their mind years ago, even though it was not possible at the time. And they worked on it and worked on it and some of the technology caught up with them and BOOM, now we have Siri.

It's the job of the managers and leaders of the creative people to understand the limits of technology and the costs involved. It's also their job to shield their creative people from those realities as much as possible in order to avoid destroying that creativity.

Oh, and BTW, the Ares rockets were slated to use a modified version of the space shuttle boosters. So unless NASA is deciding to use obsolete technology, those boosters are still viable and useful.

@235301....I don't see where you and I are in conflict. I agree with your statements about innovation and technology.

Newt wants to colonize the moon because the weaker gravity makes women easier to pick up.

And middle aged ladies look much more perky :)

Didn't Perry support the Swiftboat lies? It is the truth.

You really don't get it do you. More money means more influence for concentrated wealth. As Louis Brandeis said, you can have a democracy or you can have concentrated wealth, but you can't have both.

What do you have against democracy? Take that away and you've taken away America. That's what we are stand up for in this recall.

"That's what we are stand up for in this recall."
KS, I thought the recall was about unions, or teachers, or wales or something. You guys need to get your story straight because people may start to think it is just about being sore losers.

Collective bargaining and unions are only the start and you wish it was just that, but it's not.

You must not watch job offerings very often. I noted several names on there that pop up quite often as having open positions.

And lets see your proof of "corporate greed" on the part of those on that list.

Yes, they all employee teams of robots and outsourced all that they can to Cambodia.

RD, my understanding is that the purpose of VtR is not to verify but to de-verify (unverify?) signatures. It's purpose is not to make sure there are enough for a recall--I don't know anyone who thinks there is not--but to discredit the recall effort and by proxy the Dems and others opposing Walker by discovering/revealing the extent of error and fraud present.

Left its own devises and criteria, the GAB would verify the signatures.

Don you are correct. The VTR people are doing what should have been done by the GAB. The GAB; being a gvt. entity, is useless. They glance at a page and count the signatures, if there are two pages that are identical (ie: reprint), they do not notice it or take any action. That burden is left to the candidate being recalled.
This is a good reason to disolve the GAB, it is a waste of money to keep an antiquated and useless Board.

@Craig -- "if there are two pages that are identical (ie: reprint),"

The GAB looks at the originals, of which there is only one. Any 'reprints' you see on the publicly posted site would be a double-scan or a double posting and are not part of the original count.

VTR is looking to challenge as many signatures as possible, which is actually the job of the incumbent who is being recalled, so they are going to err on the side of invalidation. But as you know, the names and signatures come with the presumption of validity. I saw one of the reasons for challenge of Fitzgerald's petitions on the news last night as 'ditto in muni'. Now, I know that each address is to be completely filled out, but I can see where a wife signing right after a husband might put ditto marks in an address field and it might not be caught by the circulator right away. So you'll have a case where the person obviously wanted to sign but will have his/her signature kicked on a technicality.

Randy I understand your point of view completely. I just know the rules are specific. A long time ago I was part of a local petition. The GAB made it very clear that all lines were to be filled out by the signatore. At that time each page required a notary. It was very difficult to say the least. Ditto marks are reason for disqualification, Seems petty I know, but playing by the rules is expected.
The non partison in both of us knows some signatures are forged and will never be caught. Some people sign a petition just to get it over with, not wanting to waste time argueing- this is often typical in older people who aren't sure of what they are hearing.

Based on their name alone, I expected the GAB to perform the simple straight forward analysis/audit of the data that the VtR group performed;it must be something about that -A-, as in Accountability, that got me. Maybe GArBage would be more fitting.

Most, Dave? Are you implying that you somehow have the insight to separate those who do from those who don't? If so, why not cite a few examples? I'm sure we could all use a good chuckle on this blustery day.

I suppose you would want a public defender?

I should have known better than to ask. Of course you would want a public defender, why not let someone else pay for it- right?

They do create jobs Vicki, they have employees is that hard to understand? These are personal donations.

Just wait for all the union money to flood in, why not use that money to fund pensions, benefits and keep union dues down instead of donating to the favorite democrat? It's for the kids we were all told when in reality it is a power grab for tax dollars.

Its called trickledown economics. The rich spend some of their vast wealth on influencing elections, and the rest of us gets to receive political ads for the gullible that pay for those wonderful network programs, and junk mail for mulching our garden.

Vicki:

Are you complaining about all the national unions sticking their nose in our state and ponying up for something that isn't necessarily the will of the people of Wisconsin?

Ron you are correct. It is one way their financial success trickles down into the economy as they spend.

Vicki: The will of the people should be heard. The will of people who are not legitimate should not. For example: Out of state, fake people, dead people, duplicate people....have no voice.
Therefore it is imperative we know exactly what signatures are legitimate, so we know the will of the people. I thought that is what elections were for, but apparently things are not like that anymore.
So be it. But we better be damn sure the petitions are legitimate, unless we want to allow elections to be tainted with out of state voters, etc.

Jobs? From the CEO to the campaign means "temporary" jobs. Jobs for campaign aids, telemarketers, and producers of commercials. There's no real investment in our state's future. And, no, Walker is NOT our future.

What are you getting at there Vicki? Are you saying that the companies that donated to Walker's campaign don't have any long term, permanent employees?

Yes Jobs. They all are employers of fairly large companies producing products and services that we all use.
There is a world out there where government does not create employment and money comes from the private sector.

If Walker's policies were working I am such a Wisconsin chauvinist that I'd regard it as great, but given Walker's track record in Milwaukee county and his utter lack of private sector experience, that requires a major act of faith.

Yeah jobs. Do have something for us Steve other than a guess? Until you do, it's a guess. And if these are the state's largest employers there is a good reason to believe they aren't creating jobs based on overall state job growth.

Blind Faith was a great supergroup but not a great way to pick your candidates.

The point is that the companies have already created jobs, and there's no reason to think that they will not continue to create jobs.

What is so bad about how Walker performed as Milwaukee county executive? You speak as if all that is left of the county is a swarm of locusts or something...

You mean when Doyle was governor, because it sure isn't happening now.

Ya got numbers?

Let's take a look at the list:
Bergstrom automotive is advertising job openings.
http://www.carcareer.com/carcareer/jobs+at+bergstrom+automotive/default.asp

Fabco has a bunch of job opportunities.
http://www.fabco.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=102&Itemid=941

It looks like Greenheck Fan is hiring too...
http://www.greenheck.com/content/view/employment_overview

Halquist stone is looking to hire as well.
http://www.halquiststone.com/employment/index.php

I'm not going to bother going through the rest of the list, but it's pretty obvious that the companies in question are indeed creating jobs...

There is four different employers. How many jobs do you need?
Oops forgot, likely several to repay debt.

Mist: Thanks for the clarification.

Ditto Mist !

Mist: Things have changed apparently. When I was part of the petition, it was a non partison issue. It was also long before Doyle changed the GAB to a bunch of hacks that don't do their due diligence like we have now. Back then, they could do more than count.

"Just because we work for you does not mean you should have the power to demand we do things a certain way."
Mark, you touch on an interesting question--What authority/rights does an employer have? What are an employer's obligations? What are a worker's rights?

You forgot to mention the Union worker who didn't service the plane as he claimed was the cause....to bad he won't be fired for dereliction of duty.
And the rest of the story is:
Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson were in the cargo hold trying to hitch another free ride.
;-P

The pilot Jim Doyle just waved goodbye after jumping out miles back knowing they were all doomed because the real parachutes were sold to pay for the fuel for their doomed flight . Jim is now resting at his plush offices at one of the largest law offices in the midwest thanks to the Indian gaming deal and tabacco deal when JIM BO sold out his passengers . Lucky Bucky see if Jim Bo will run against Walker , he still has a campaign fund to run... Hey Bucky why did Jim Bo quit he was a sitting Govener with lots of money .

Chris: LOL
Two thumbs up.

Walker is a laughing stock to many -even in NY!

Great pic!

http://yfrog.com/nwrb8jqj

@exiledsurfer exiledsurfer
RT @richards_andy Gold toilet and chants of "Flush Scott Walker" at #CPAC #wiunion #wirecall #recallwalker yfrog.com/nwrb8jqj

YFrog
8 minutes ago via Janetter for Mac

Bucky--Walker lied.

First he says the budget is balanced to the Wisconsin folks.
Then he tells the Federal gov that we are broke so he can take folks off Badgercare.

And now? dah!!

Meg_Moen Meg Moen
#ScottWalker said last yr that collective bargaining need to be eliminated bc of a "budget shortfall" obvsly didn't work, did it? #wirecall

Misty- You are beating a dead horse. That had already been 'splained. (accounting practices)

Abalone ... and as long as you continue to be an obedient dog you to will continue to get the scraps.

Walker should go back and try to get his college degree when he has plenty of time, maybe real soon. Then he could get a job as a teacher, if he is lucky.