No actually the people that decided to run out of state and go to illinois instead of doing their jobs are the ones that have caused the divide in this state and is why unemployment is so high, due to lack of trust in our state government that runs at the first sign of issues

@Ricardo

9:04 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012
Nah. You are being selective with your stats. Walker is up for 2012. 15,000 for Jan., 8,000 for Feb, and down 4,000+ for March. CEP is volatile, but CPS is at a stable 6.8%, up 18,000 over 12 months.

@Brian
There is NO need to name call folks in unions or who support unions thugs. That is WRONG!

@Brian Dey...Still proving you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Lyle is back! :)

Lyle- So what is untrue with the above. Again, you offer nothing, just taking pot shots at posters. Real intelligent.

I too hate it when the Union thugs get name called even though they are always violent and profane even to women when protesting Walker. Cut those Union folk a break and leave them alone.

walker didn't cut proerty taxes. the economy did. the alues have gone down so did lots of taxes.

I would not click on that vile link for anything.

Union business managers ARE thugs. Compare their wages to that of their membership. Those paying dues provide for a very lucrative salary and benefits package for the thugs. The membership should be protesting with "we are the 99%" signs outside the union hall.

morninmist: I'll summarize. WEAC and REA threatened a baseless defamation suit to try to keep me quiet about their "thuggery tactics", including helping student draft a "Student Bill of Rights" to advance their political agenda, helped orgaize the "sick out" and by campaigning during working hours prior to the Spring Primary. All of which I proved their involvement and responded. It has been a week and I have heard nothing.

These are "thuggery tactics" so I WILL call them thugs. And the only thing vile is your precious belief in these thugs.

It takes a thug to think he knows one.

If that is who you are getting your input from, you are in real trouble.

All this proves is that people are supporting organizations that support their self interests, unlike you.

Again Keith, that is not where I'm gettingthe information. They reported my story. Wow, out of touch!

Brian Dey...Wow! Mr. Peepers and Ichabod Crane as "leg-breakers"? I think not. Teaching doesn't attract that kind of person into its ranks. I think what you want is the perfect teacher who is excellent, works for free, and acts as your personal whipping boy with no recourse open to him/her.

Mr. Kovem- Not true. I want good teachers paid better, bad teachers fired. I want them to worry about teaching our children thatn their own personal politics on the taxpayer's dime.

The unions just screwed themselves out of 400 jobs in Milwaukee, 250 in Kenosha and more in Madison. These are all the folks that thought solidarity meant something, and their thug leaders whipped their own the perverbial finger all in the name of recalling Walker. Good job thugs, throw your own own out to prove a point. That is what I call union brotherhood...

Craig, I'm not defending Barrett's performance or policies, or arguing the other parts of your post at all, but the crowbar mark is pretty far out of line. He did the right thing in that instance and suffered pretty severe physical trauma for having done so.

Bob: You are right. He did the right thing and stepped up for a damsel in distress. I just was pointing out that something is jumbled upstairs if he can blast Walker while using him as a role model.

I understand, Craig. I think he is in a funny position in a lot of ways - not just that one. I'd hate to have to be running against someone's job record with that of the City of Milwaukee as my own as a counter-balance. Then again, anyone running against Walker in this unnecessary election will be banking on the degree to which the recall forces have been able to nurture hatred towards Walker, rather than their own record. So maybe it really doesn't matter if the arguments or comparisons don't make any sense.

In 1978, compensation of CEOs was 35 times greater than compensation of average workers. Since then, this ratio has skyrocketed, peaking at 299-to-1 in 2000. During the Great Recession, CEO pay fell relative to pay of typical workers because much of CEO compensation is directly linked to the stock market, which fell sharply in 2008 and 2009. However, the ratio bounced back during the recovery and stood at 243-to-1 in 2010. At this rate, it likely will not take long for the gap to reach its prior peak.
http://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-ratio-average-worker/

@Craig -- Walker showed Barrett how to balance a budget? Shall I be blunt and say he did it by screwing over schoolchildren and licking the hand of big business?

Check out the difference in pay between the CEOs of, say. Georgia Pacific or Walmart and the average worker before you toss the word 'thug' around.

Average commoner worker sucks at money life. Not smart enough to run a huge global company or come up with products millions want to give you money for. They are lucky they were hired at all, given a salary, healthcare and a 401K agreed upon before employment.

Yes, Steve, it takes real innovative brilliance to come up with the concept of toilet paper and cheap goods imported from China to be sold by a low-paid part-time workforce with a feel-good greeter at the door.

Concepts don't bring in the bling.

@Steve...I think all workers would be interested in your opinion of them. Seems that you hold workers in a very low regard. I don't understand your arrogance toward other people. Wealth does not a human make.

@Steve -- Concepts may not bring in the bling -- so there goes Steve Jobs.

Last time I heard, the 'bling' wasn't made by fairies. And it isn't bought by fairies either.

Those that cry and moan about how much other people make and think it is unfair have no regard in my world.

If Steve Jobs sat around all day and only had concepts of an MP3 player we wouldn't all own iPods today.

@Steve -- You mean the way I see some of you crying and moaning about a teacher's salary and benefit package?

We were on the subject of private business, not public tax dollars stripped from private businesses so that teachers can fly around on private jets and own islands in the caymans.

@Steve -- No we weren't. We were on the subject of calling those in leadership positions 'thugs' based on the salary discrepancy between them and those whom manage.

Better reread the thread. CEOs, Steve Jobs, Georgia Pacific, Wal*Mart, compensation average. Never once was a public worker in my head or typed about after I came in.

@Steve -- I had originally replied to Craig's post that said, "And yes, Union Thugs is the proper term. Check out what business managers make in the unions, and compare that to the average wage of those who pay the dues (and that manager's salary and benefits)" Then I pointed out that if management to subordinate pay ratios qualified a person as a 'thug' then some other people were thugs too. Then you jumped in with salary-envy.

your an ass for the comment about barrett. maybe you need to be more adult like. and let me say the unions made the middle class.unions disapearing and so is the mifddle class. i also see coments about the atate workers and how the tax payers are supporting them LETS BE VERY CLEAR HERE. THAY PAY TAXES AS WELL AND IN CASE YOU DIDN'T KNOW IT THIER WAGES ALSO COMES OUT OF THE TAXES THEY PAY AND WHEN THEY GET THIER PAY CHECKS TAXES WERE TAKEN OUT AGAIN SO THEY GET TAXED TWICE. AND I ALSO SEE ENOUGH COMMENTS HOW LAZY THEY ATE AND MAKE ALOT OF MONEY. I HAVE NEVER SEEN IT REPORTED THAT THE COPS, THE FIREMEN, THE SNOWPLOW DRIVERS, NEVER HEARD OF ANY OF THEM SAY TO HELL WITH THE PUBLIC I WILL JUST SIT AT MY STATION AND NOT GO UT CAUSE I DON'T FEEL LIKE WORKING TODAY. THEY ARE OUT THERE EVERYDAY DOING THE WORK THAT ALL OF YOU DEMAND TO BE DONE BUT YET YOU SPEW YOUR HATE LIKE THEY SHOULD ALL WORK FOR FREE. DO SOME FACT CHECKING ONCE. THE SNOW PLOW DRIVERS MAKE 11.00 QAN HOUR. NOW CHECK OUT WHAT THE REST EARN. WALKER JUST ADMITTED LAST WEEK THAT THE STATE WOKERS EARN LESS THEN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

Linda you should proofread your posts before posting. Not even sure what your point is? If it is the low wages of $11/ hr for plow drivers...then they could change jobs. It is likely a chimpanzee could be trained to do that same job. Wait a minute! NOW I understand your post- you have a pet chimp who typed your reply right?

Brian's an idiot , job loss in Milwaukee also falls under heir Walkers watch , after all he is the governor I think ?

thank you for the info

@GearHead...How many jobs did Walker create for Milwaukee County? His county record is continuing onto the state. His ideology is working really well.

What does the county executive really do? One conservative in a sea of liberals can't have too much influence. The mayor is like the king and the current county exc gets a pass for losing thousands of jobs? Iz confused

Lyle- In September of 2010, the unemployment rate in the Milwaukee County has an unemployment rate of 8.7%, while the nation was at 9.6%. Milwaukee County is now at 11.9% and nationally at 8.2% and Wisconsin is at 6.9%.

If you are capable of doing the math, while Walker was County Exec, he was nearly a full percentage point below the national average, yet Barrett is 3.3% higher. At the same time, as Governor, Walker is 1.3% below the national average. Hmmm...

Meanwhile, Barrett's job creation plan includes wind energy and solar energy. That's working so well Obama, isn't it.

Lyle, how many jobs has Chris Abele created? How has Chris Abele improved things in this county since taking over? Why are you and the rest on the left not holding his feet to the fire for, basically, running the county in much the same fashion as did Walker?

me neither

Could anything make matters worse for Democrats? Yes, and it’s already happened. Moody’s Investors Services last week downgraded the City of Milwaukee’s bond rating.

How do you figure ACT-10 is working? If it's working so well why are we still not showing job growth which it was supposed to help by making the state more attractive to business. Conservatives are going to get a big awakening.

Job growth takes time as you know Lyle. Obama sure is seeing that right? 1 year walker balances budget and cuts wasteful gov. employment. 3+ years Obama expands government and cripples business. Winning. But it's Bush's fault of course.

Act 10 was and still is about bringing government spending within it's means, balancing a budget, and busting the hell out of corrupt thieving unions. I like the last part.

Lyle- I'm afraid your guy is going down. Apparently, Act 10 worked when he needed to balance his own budget. All your guy has is "I'm not Scott Walker." Sad, after all the turmoil the thugs created. Really sad.

Tom Barrett is mayor of the largest city in Wisconsin and is working within a very constrained budget due to Scott Walker's rule. What makes you think that Tom Barrett can create jobs with Walker putting road blocks up everywhere? Companies are staying away from our state due to the environment that Walker has created. Many of those jobs have gone to Illinois. (Gee, thanks Scott.) Walker didn't do anything to benefit Milwaukee when he was the county executive. Walker has no credibility.

@Vicki

Barrett has had almost an entire decade as mayor without Walker to blame. Milwaukee is now the 4th poorest city in the nation with 9 out of 10 of the worst high schools in the state. The best unemployment in that city in recent history is above the state's worst. By every metric, Milwaukee is getting worse every year, thanks to Barrett.

For years Barrett has been campaigning on what he will do for education.

Here are his results. http://www.schooldigger.com/go/WI/schoolrank.aspx?pagetype=bottom10&level=3

I guess he needs another decade to get Milwaukee to the stone age?

The spending caps imposed on school districts and local municipalities, by ACT 10, can be overridden though a ballot referendum. If the budget constraints imposed by ACT 10 were so egregious wouldn't local governments and school districts be placing referendums on the ballot to overcome the evils of ACT 10?

The Nicolet School District passed a $10 million dollar operating revenue(No Capital Projects) referendum during the heat of the ACT 10 firestorm. Why have no other local governmental taxing bodies stepped forth with 'their' binding referendums?

@Jay
You are wrong--there have been school districts with referendums.

http://elections.wispolitics.com/2012/04/voters-approve-most-school-referendums.html
Wednesday, April 4, 2012
12:11 PM
Voters approve most school referendums

Voters in 20 school districts across the state approved more than $140 million in supplemental school spending in referendums Tuesday, including the three largest initiatives on the spring election ballot......

....
Jay Sykes

7:39 am on Friday, April 27, 2012

The spending caps imposed on school districts and local municipalities, by ACT 10, can be overridden though a ballot referendum. If the budget constraints imposed by ACT 10 were so egregious wouldn't local governments and school districts be placing referendums on the ballot to overcome the evils of ACT 10?

The Nicolet School District passed a $10 million dollar operating revenue(No Capital Projects) referendum during the heat of the ACT 10 firestorm. Why have no other local governmental taxing bodies stepped forth with 'their' binding referendums?

@morninmist... Are those 20 school district referendums for operational, capital or some combination? Large capital spending had always required a ballot referendum prior to ACT 10 passing. Doyle had a spending cap too, districts required a referendum to overcome the spending caps imposed under Doyle;the $10 million Dollar Nicolet School District spending referendum was done to overcome the Doyle spending caps. Can you compare how many School District Operational (No Capital Expenditures) referendums under Doyle v Walker, so we can apportion appropriately to Doyle cuts v Walker cuts?

Nicolet spends $20k per student where Milwaukee spends $11k.

@George Mitchell...What's going to happen if the Republicans loose the governorship and one chamber of the legislature? Maybe they will pull the money away from the charter and voucher program and put it back where it belongs.

Lyle- The bigger question is, "What are the Democrats and the unions going to do when they lose again?" Vouchers are working just fine for the families that escaped RUSD.

You like to make things up don't you Brian. According to people who looked into it, voucher schools are not working any better. They are only tools to go after teacher unions, and for using kids in the process.

Hardly, the voucher program went from 210 last year to 470 enrolled this year. That is fact. And the unions are doing a great job of turning the public against them. The little letter sent to MTEA is resulting in school closings and 800 pink slips. Kenosha is losing 250 jobs. The union plan is working soooo well.

@Brian Dey...Sorry, but people of Racine County are not listening to your ideology any longer, Two failed elections ought to be enough to convince you to enjoy your life as a private contractor and weed commissioner.

Lyle- Big union money won the election, and I was only 2% away from winning, despite being outspent 35 - 1. I can hold my head high, and apparently, I put enough of a scare into WEAC that they had to send me a threatening letter which has now been debunked. Again Lyle, totally misinformed.

@Brian Dey...Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. Like I said before, your ideology is clear and people have rejected it. I think there is a garden needing weeding, and your the man.

Brian ... how can you hold your head high when its always up your butt ? Face it your a loser .

Yes it is bad!!! - it is all you have to say, nothing new, same old Walker crony parrotism. Give it a rest, you are indeed worse than Bren with her ALEC.

As a capitalist that is good. A socialist above finds it bad, what a surprise.

Nah that's good in my neck of the woods :)

Bingo!

America United ‏ @Progress2day

RT @unkybunky: Tavern league and NRA support Walker. Just what we need--a bunch of drunks w guns #wiunion

BOOM!

The workers want to start their own local union. Yes, smaller unions at the local level do work best. It is a good thing and I wish them well.

For their own pockets...

@George Mitchell...What study? Are you talking about a study from down south, that purports a higher graduation rate? Show me the statistical significance.

Lyle,

Key findings are below. All the research is posted online (as you already know). The scholars who did this work are the nation's leading experts on the subject.

Attending a private high school through the MPCP increases the likelihood of graduating high school.

Students that participated in the MPCP are more likely to attend and persist in a four-year college.

For the first time in the history of the study the SCDP found that MPCP students had greater growth scores in reading achievement than similarly matched MPS students.

Students with special needs are a significantly higher percentage of the MPCP student population than previously claimed by the Department of Public Instruction.

@George Mitchell...Show me the statistical significance. What is the validity? Finally, who funded the study, DeVoss?

Lyle,

It's all here. http://www.uaedreform.org/SCDP/Milwaukee_Research.html

@George Mitchell...No control group that is matched to experimental group. Also small N. No way to establish validity.

@Pete...We'll see how bad things really are after the new fiscal year begins. Local governments were able to pick the low hanging fruit during this last year. Now it gets tougher and we'll see who takes credit for what.

@Pete
Many are tired and disgusted with all the LIES from @GovWalker!

If the WI TeaGOP party and members and followers of Walker had any dignity-they would be disgusted also!

Spud Lovr ‏ @SpudLovr

Wis Gov Walker raised taxes on elderly, working poor by $70 million. When he says he didn't raise taxes, he's lying #wiunion #wiright #p2

@Lyle - that low hanging fruit includes lefty Shorewood utilizing Act 10 to save a half-million in health-care services by blowing off the WEAC-owned insurance company. How could that possibly happen, Lyle? And you dare say Act 10 isn't working? LOL!!!! Dude, check out your own backyard. If you were consistant, you would give back your share of the tax savings. Conservative ideology vs. liberal civil war. Hmmm, no contest. Barrett will have the distinction of losing a gubernatorial race twice in eighteen months. And the city of Milwaukee will still suck at job creation.

@GearHead...I'm looking in my own backyard and I don't see any tax savings. In fact my property tax has gone up. SSD didn't need ACT-10 to change healthcare plan, contract was up and they chose a different plan, no big deal.

Answer: Walker's divisive policies.

DefeatVos ‏ @DefeatVos

If Wisconsin was "Open for Business", then explain a LOSS of 29,300 jobs when 49 OTHER states have job GAINS. #wiunion #tcot #teaparty #p2

Mornimist - I'll have what you are smoking.

J. Blade...And the teachers aren't allowed to keep THEIR hard-earned money? Public workers aren't second class citizens. They have families, pay taxes, and have to eat too. Widen your view of the real world, for Pete's sake.

@Johnny
Your post is ugly.

Vote early vote often

Shame on you @Steve for advocating that!

................

Steve ®

9:50 am on Friday, April 27, 2012

Vote early vote often

Shame on you for supporting a system that allows it.

Maybe you should see how you fare bare handed against a guy wielding a tire iron? Especially if it was one of your self defense classmates wielding the tire iron.

The first word that comes to mind when you see Tom Barrett is 'milquetoast'. He is a very weak leader, a bit too effeminate and emasculated if you axe me.

@Alfred -- You really ought to consider counseling for your latent homophobia problem.

There are knuckleheads on both sides of the line and I laugh fairly and evenly at them all, but this guy (Michael) must make all of the Walker opponents smile.

@George Mitchell...I am going to thoroughly dig through this study. "Treatment" groups, that isn't a standard category in social science statistics. I am going to look into the hypothesis and see exactly what they were testing for. From what the online report states, it says nothing as to a scientific significance. I want to know if or what the null hypothesis is. Another disturbing fact is that Bradley Foundation kicked money into funding this study. They aren't exactly nonpartisan. I'll be back on this study and if I find what I think I will find, I'll make sure to inform the public and government entities.

Thanks Lyle, you do that.

Lyle- Wow, you are really reaching. I happen to read most of the reports. The methodology is well documented, taking other similar studies into consideration. The formulas for their conclusions are explained in great detail.

Further, this was an independent study, non-partisan, and conducted by a highly regarded team from a public university, not from the state, and has conducted other studies of various school choice programs throughout the U.S.

But I'm sure the far superior, former shopkeeper is so much more intelligent and versed in analyizing other peoples work that Mr. Lyle Ruble will discard this team's work based on the highly intellectual reasoning of "I hate Scott Walker".

Tsk, tsk... Another wate of space provided by the intellect of Mr. Lyle Ruble.

George - you speak the truth, and have learned what most readers of The Patch already know. You will be shouted down with lies and untruths - from those with an agenda and ideaology they want to implement - damn the truth.