You're from Newark. Who cares what you think?

Another out-of-state pot head sounds off. Thanks for the input Frank, but you sound a little stoned.

Frank, you should get your facts straight. Wisconsin gained jobs, and that has been confirmed.

He's just trying to make a Mockery of the democratic process...

I'm guessing that Jersey doesn't adhere to an innocent until proven guilty in a court of law standard of justice, hey?

Maybe Chris Christie will fix that for you.

Right on, Frank!
The Walkerites are in denial, but charges look to be inevitable for Walker.
And Wisconsin was dead last in job creation. Dead last.
Again the Walkerites are all to eager to believe their hero, but they are the only ones that believe the phony numbers that the DWD created.
Lies and more lies!

@Racine Progressive -

You may want to see a psychiatrist!

Frank, around here this is what's known as being swarmed by barflies.

Though I don't groove on out of staters commenting either, the right wing on this blog knows we have plenty of people on there side from out of state who comment, and that doesn't give them any problems. The word hypocrisy is not in their dictionary.

@CowDung

Moammar Walker has already made a complete MOCKERY of the DEMOCRATIC PROCESS here in Wisconsin...

Further, he is now actively laying the foundation for a loss [Claiming the possibility of Voter Fraud] and a recount... what a sleeze...

Keith:

Who are these 'out of state righties' that you are referring to? I am not aware of any...

Air Head: When out of State people vote in a Wisconsin election, it is called fraud.
Wilson= Soccer ball; filled with stale air. Brainless, unable to think, rose to popularity by the movie Cast Away.

@John Wilson -

You can't even seem to get our Governor's name right - it's SCOTT WALKER, the BEST Governor in America!

And it's the Capitol protestors, the fleeing Democratic state senators, the lefty liberal activist Dane County judges, the recallers, the public sector unions, etc that have made a mockery of our state government - don't you keep up with the real news?

Frequent visits to the Daily Kos is starting to have an adverse effects on your mental health, as you're apparently no longer able to distinguish between the truth/facts and liberal LIES.

Do us all a favor and get some professional help ASAP!

Is anyone else here tired of the personal put downs from someone who espouses the persona of a dead man? This anonymous muckraker could very well be just an out of state hired tool.

Are you saying that personal putdowns from actual, living people are OK?

CowDung: No I am not.

Thanks for the in depth commentary Linda, lol. We finally have Wisconsin on the right path. I am happy to vote for Walker again tomorrow and ignore comments like yours with no basis in reality.

Looking forward to voting for Walker tomorrow!

Looking forward to voting for Barrett and Mitchell tomorrow.

Looks like linda needs to fire her psychic / astrologist ASAP!!!

Well lets give her credit at least for getting the caps locked key on her 'puter fixed.

Yeah, that is the irony. Those that support him today will find themselves to be his next victim.
Deer hunters - ready for the Deer Czar from Texas that will eliminate public lands? I hope that you own your own land because otherwise you better be ready to pay to hunt on private gane farms.

@Racine Progressive -

Once again, you're a day late and a dollar short - didn't you get the memo from Zielinski?

Politifact Wisconsin has outed this slanderous Barrett/Dem/liberal LIE as being 'Pants on Fire.'

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2012/jun/04/tom-barrett/recall-challenger-tom-barrett-says-scott-walker-ha/

For a so-called progressive, you're constantly behind on your information. Then again, it must be tough keeping up with all the LIES that your side perpetuates!

Lies Jimmy? Nobody beats the GOP for dirty tricks -- http://www.politiscoop.com/us-politics/wisconsin-politics/1442-election-eve-group-interferes-with-wisconsin-recall-election.html.

You have to resort to cheating when you have nothing to offer people.

Here you go Mr. Hoffa, just wanted to make sure you knew what the rest of the country already knows. http://www.uppitywis.org/blogarticle/politifact-walker-most-dishonest-governor-america You have the most dishonest governor in America and must be very proud. That should give you something to ponder when you vote for today.

@Schmitzy -

"You have to resort to cheating when you have nothing to offer people."

I'm glad to see that you're finally able to admit this about your side.

After tonight, Hoffa is going to be $50 richer!!! Get ready for the presentation ceremony :-)

@Dark Star -

Unlike you, I actually use my brain and think about things before making conclusions. And I also never allow others to form a conclusion for me, which needless to say, you obviously prefer as a liberal because thinking for yourself is just too much hard work!

1) Politifact made no such conclusion.

2) How can you call something a FACT, when it's based solely upon a completely subjective standard such as "most dishonest?"

Obviously, you were duped by the liberal propaganda, rhetoric, talking points, and outright LIES.

Once again proving that Barrett and the Dems are targeting the low information, non-thinking voters!

JRH, citing a source when you agree with it and disparaging it when you don't is known as rank hypocrisy.

Dark Star:

When did Hoffa cite the 'Uppity Wisconsin' site as a source for anything he was in agreement with?

"JRH, citing a source when you agree with it and disparaging it when you don't is known as rank hypocrisy."
I will level my opinion regardless of the source involved, that is what makes it my opinion. To be absolutely loyal to a source seems moronic.

@mau .... i agree... collective bargining is done forever. no one is going to attempt to reinstate it, nor should they.

Well, he's campaigning on "restoring bargaining rights," so, if he breaks that promise to the unions, I'm guessing that the left will storm the Capitol stage fake sick-outs, threaten boycotts, dump beer on their senators' heads, organize a recall, … you know, the works!!!

Oh, wait a minute.... I'm sorry, I forgot that the new mantra of the left is HYPOCRISY!!!

So, no matter what Barrett does, the liberals will love him till the end of time, just as they still revere Doyle.

You raise a good point, Hoffa. It was Prof. McAdams' opinion that Barrett lacked star power in his campaign, but I will add Jesse Jackson and Russ Feingold for the sake of balance.

So glad to see you are still deluding yourself Jimmy. It's your side that cheats, it's your side that intimidates and it's your side that makes up nonsense about voter fraud. The feds are here to keep an eye on out of control Scotbots, who love him so much they want him to screw them.

If you believe in the Wisconsin that is help your neighbor, help those in need, open government, honest dealing, and high quality education (we are the first state to open a kindergarten-Watertown 1856), then vote for Barrett, Mitchell, and Lehman today.

Finally, someone stated a reason to vote for Barrett, we opened a kindergarten in Watertown in 1856. Talk about having to dig deep.

Walker is gutless and without principle. The only reason why he "stood strong" is because he is backed by billionaires, who of course want nothing for their money.

As usual you on the right aren't good with ciphering', because Walker is outspending Barrett by ten to one, so please stop on the nonsense about this "outside money pouring in" nonsense. It only makes you look like the fool that you are.

Walker has a record as county executive and it sucks. And going forward, he will have a record if you know what I mean.

Walker believes what his billionaire donors tell him to believe. Believe it!

@Dark Star -

Name one specific thing that a billionaire has received that is out-of-the-ordinary from the state of Wisconsin since Walker has taken office.

YOU CAN'T!!!

So stop spreading your bs class warfare propaganda, rhetoric, and talking points, as the majority of the good people of the state of Wisconsin are too smart to fall for that!

You want an example of something a billionaire got that was out of the ordinary? Sure, they are all over the place. When his billionaire non-taxpaying financial backer, Diane Hendricks, asked if they could ever get a totally red state among other things I'm sure you have seen the videos of Walker's plan to "Divide and Conquer" selected Wisconsonites. You ought to listen again to the fake Koch phone call too.

When the Governor tells you his secret strategy to divide and conquer your political foes, that is receiving something special indeed. That was not what he was elected for, and thus he deceived the voters and went into office with a secret plan to pursue an agenda favored by his billionaire donors from all over.

There are two specific instances for you in Walker's own words, but I suppose you will ignore them in your black and white world where you seem to have appointed yourself as the sole arbiter of the facts.

@Dark Star -

"When the Governor tells you his secret strategy to divide and conquer your political foes"

When did Walker ever say that?

In fact, from the video presented, we don’t know exactly what the context of the Hendricks conversation was exactly, do we? 'Red state' is an awfully vague term. In fact, I believe she was referring to fiscal responsibility in government, as that is what new conservatism is all about first and foremost! Any other conclusions about the intent of that statement are based upon nothing more than unfounded conspiracy theories, as no where in the Republican Party platform, the numerous Tea Party platforms, or even in the ALEC agenda does it state that 'the goal and intentions of our organization is impose legislation that allows the wealthy to financially rape the poor and working middle class of everything they have,' and yet, that's exactly what your side would have us believe. Only a non-thinking IDIOT would buy into that crap! I prefer objective FACT to unfounded supposition, speculation, and assumption, but hey - to each their own, right? We're all entitled to our own opinions, but not our own objective FACTS.

This is why Walker responded with 'divide and conquer,' as he was clearly referring to matters of budgetary concern, of which the public sector union issue is a big one as far as allowing local municipalities and districts to balance their budgets, as has been FACTUALLY proven by the savings already experienced by those districts that utilized Walker's Act 10 tools, including Mayor Barrett's very own city of Milwaukee! This was necessary because of the reductions made in state aid to local level governments, the state imposed freeze on property taxes, and Walker's promise not to raise taxes in general. There is also the undisputed FACT that public sector union locals were wild catting and pushing contracts through local governmental entities that did not include the agreed to concessions, but instead gave their memberships increased compensation packages. Check out the AFSCME contract in Janesville, as just one example of many. The unions were not playing fair with Walker, and state level union leadership wouldn't take responsibility for the actions of their locals. What else was Walker to have done in such a situation when the unions are promising one thing and going out and doing the exact opposite? He did the right and fairest thing for everyone in the state.

Sorry, but I don't drink koolaid - I analyze the hard OBJECTIVE FACTS!

More BS from Politicrap. Kroll said that public lands are the last vestige of communism. If somehow Walker gets reelected and more amazingly, avoids conviction, and I can't wait to hear the blubbering when you doofuses have ti pay $5,000 to deer hunt.

Hunting for many of you is the reason why you have sold out you and your families for years to the GOP, and now the chickens may finally come home to roost.

Luke, since you seem to trust Politifact, maybe you can explain this? http://www.uppitywis.org/blogarticle/politifact-walker-most-dishonest-governor-america Looks like you have the most dishonest governor in America. Be careful what you ask for.

Many sportsmen would be happy to pay $5000 for an open season on jackasses like you Kief. That would be an improvement for all of society.

How did they slice and dice the Politifact data to come to their conclusion, Dark Star?

Keith, do you libs have anything other than lies? It's laughable when everything you put on this site is so blatantly fabricated. If politifact did a rating on you it would be "pants on fire" 90% of the time.

@Dark Star -

Are you not smart enough to realize that you're not even linking to Politifact, but rather a lefty liberal blog?

Proof once again that Barrett and the Dems are targeting the low information, non-thinking voter!

Summoning the zombies? I don't think that's gonna work for you.

Racine Pro......Don't lie about the hunting issue..http://www.drdeer.com/

Man, I knew that you progressive's believed in the dead's right to vote and all, but calling on the dead to actually rise from the grave and vote tomorrow... well, that's going above and beyond your usual tactics of cheating, isn't it?

WOW - are you ever misinformed!

As to Walker's so called cronyism, can you name one thing out-of-the ordinary that a billionaire, such as the Koch Bros, have received since Walker's taken office? I'm just asking for one concrete proof positive example here.

Yeah, that's what I thought - and if that was a LIE, then you may want to reassess the validity and accuracy of your other erroneous assertions!

Proof that Barrett and the Dems are targeting the low information, non-informed voter!

You don't know much do you Jimmy. The entire ALEC agenda is a love letter to the Kochs and other greedy billionaires. Union busting is a big gift.

The very idea that Walker has gone out and courted all that money to fight Wisconsin values is a crime, but we'll get him on the other ones he's committed.

Kief: Name the unions that were busted. ACT 10 only affected public unions, and have no meaning to big $$ Corporations. Think about it dumbass, it benefits the little guy a lot more than billionaires. Seriously, you gotta stop using epsom salts.

@Schmitzy -

If all you've got is conspiracy theory propaganda, rhetoric, and talking points, then your side really is built upon the sand!

Personally, I like to stand on ground that's solid as rock! That's why Hoffa stands with WALKER!!!

I hope you've been saving your money, as I'll be coming to collect my $50!!!

@RP -

Stop drinking the koolaid - the DPW is LYING to you!!!

Scotbot.

I can't wait until Wed morning when I can beat on my plastic drum and act like a whiney 3 year old and SCREAM this is what democracy looks like, to all my lib coworkers

@Dave -

Don't have too much and maintain your composure - after all, we are conservatives ;-)

Good Summary!

Eat a little too many brownies?

@J H RDH -

It's nothing but the same old party propaganda, rhetoric, and talking points, which have more often than naught been nothing but outright LIES being perpetuated by no answers/solutions Barrett and the DPW.

Wake up for goodness sake!

Jimmy, you're smarter than this. I know you are.

@Keith Schmidt

No, Keith, Jimmy is NOT smarter than this... he's just an obsessive-compulsive blogger who requires a lot of attention... probably an only child…

There is one thing you could do on June 5th to make this state a better place Summer; leave!

I think ol' summer is a troll from Cali. We don't need to wait for an earthquake for that dump to fall in the ocean, the democrats are doing mother nature's job. Bye, bye summer.

Country boy: Thank God we have CC in Wisconsin for the real civil war if Barrett busses in enough hempsmokers from outside the state.

Love the tacky namecalling! Classic!

I agree with country boy.....Digging down low for support. B.O. Didn't even want to touch Barrett. Walker all the way!

So what luminaries did Walker bring in? Kenneth the Page? At least we got a former president.

@Schmitz -

The only thing your boy Obama offered was a tweet!

What happened to "l'll be marching with you all on the picket line?"

The Democrats have been LYING to you - don't be a lemming.

Also, I wouldn't be bragging about bringing in a President who perjured himself in front of Congress - especially when Barrett is claiming to be running a campaign based on moral and ethical decency!

Then again, the new mantra of the DPW is HYPOCRISY!!!

If you're like Keith and need help for a liberalism induced problem, don't delay, call the Stop Liberalism Help Line today at 800-VOTE-WALKER!!!

P.S. - $50 Keith, Hoffa is coming to collect!

Hit the nail on the head Claire.

It doesn't matter how much your grandchildren make if they have to take care of old grannie because her taxes are too high to afford on SS. By age 74, most people have learned to live within their means. How long does it take for the Government to do the same? Don't count on your check coming forever, if the Federal Government doesn't make some tough changes there will be no SS checks soon.

@claire

I guess that means you don't support Moammar Walker's 'Right to NOT work State initiative' ... you and me, claire!

Claire, I haven't seen you put out one fact that would lead me to vote for Barrett. That makes complete sense to me because there is not one economic reason you would vote for Barrett. I will give you some facts; $3.6 billion deficit eliminated without tax increases, unemployment down to 6.7% and all of this while fighting across the crazy libs trying anything so that the state won't move forward. After 74 years I would expect someone to take the time to research facts instead of spewing nonsense. By the way; if your ever on the side of Keith Schmitz you are headed down the wrong lane.

If you grandchildren can't earn a living on their own you're not doing a very good job as a grandmother or parent. Gov. check is in the mail wasn't a long term plan on your part.

@claire and other libs here -

Ummm... you guys are aware that under Barrett, Milwaukee's public debt rating was recently downgraded, yet again, because over his tenure, Barrett has leveraged the City like some piss poor South American country!

http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/news/2012/04/16/moodys-downgrades-milwaukee-rating.html

Is that really what you want for the entire state as a whole? Is a mountain of debt the legacy that you want to leave behind for those children?

Add to that, he blames Walker for the downgrade, despite Moody's specifically citing his massive bond offering, while the City was already severely leveraged, for the trolley that he so desperately has to have right now!

http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/news/2012/04/16/barrett-blames-walker-for-moodys.html

Is a 'take personal responsibility for nothing and instead blame and point the finger at others for your problems' mentality the way you raise your children?

REALLY????

Barrett is treating you like you're stupid and can't see the truth of things for yourself! Doesn't that enrage you? Wake up and do some independent thought for a change!

Proof once again that Barrett and the Dems are targeting the low information, non-thinking voter!

A person that can't tell the difference between their TV and their computer...
Proof once again that Barrett and the Dems are targeting the low information, non-thinking voter!

Keith Schmitz
5:11 am on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
More BS from Politicrap.

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How do you explain that? He's on your side.

Well then Bob, looks like no one should be using Politifact right?

BTW way Bob, we don't need Politifact to tell us that Walker is the most corrupt governor in the country. We'll have the courts.

I don't know. Is that what you two decided you're going to do?

In general, I'd say that if you folks can't use something as intended and in a responsible fashion, you should refrain from using it. But if that were the case we wouldn't be where we are today.

Keith, how come you're not all over this illegitimate child rumor? I thought that was the Hail Mary, not the endless, politically motivated John Doe that's not going to produce anything of substance. You guys have ground that one down to a nub at this point. You need something that'll get the last remnants of the couch sitting, cheetoh wolfing "he did me wrong" contingent up and out the door to the polls today. It's the perfect Maury/Jerry/Judge Judy fanatics chance to get involved in something they can relate to.

Politifact is pretty good overall, but occasionally lean more (and inconsistently) toward "Politopinion." It's always important to read the explanation about how they achieved their rating.

@Bren -

I whole heartedly second that assessment!

Excellent!

See, we really can agree on some things :-)

@Dark Star -

As I've asked you before, please use your brain and THINK!!!!

1) You're not even linking to Politifact, you're linking to a lefty liberal blog.

2) How can one conclude something as being a FACT, when it's premised on a completely subjective standard, such as "most dishonest?"

Obviously, logic is not your strong suit!

Knock off the BS already!

Hoffa, you are really one to ask someone to knock off the BS. Coming from you, that is really rich. You will still be defending Walker all the way to the crowbar hotel! I noticed earlier that someone indicated you are an attorney. I guess that means that you are skilled in defending the indefensible. Your illogically rigid and dogmatic partisanship indicate to me that not only are you not interested in facts that don't comport with your agenda, you seem to have some sort of conflictual interest in defending Walker for his indefensible statements and actions. Maybe you are sucking on the Koch teats too? Maybe you will get to be one of his minions working on his criminal defense!! I'll look for you during Walker's perp walk on the way to his arraignment and eventual indictment. Good Luck, but don't let any of Walker's dishonesty rub off on you, if its not too late. LOL

@Dark Star -

The Koch Bros, ALEC, Hendricks, etc.

All you have in your arsenal of arguments against Walker are unfounded conspiracy theories!

Try some objective FACTS for a change.

Funny how Barrett ended his campaign last night in Kenosha, instead of his own City of Milwaukee, isn't it?

Not to mention that Walker ended his campaign last night in Barrett's Milwaukee!

And yet, people claim that it's Walker that has abandoned and is throwing Milwaukee under the bus?!?!

Barrett's only been flushing the City down the toilet for the last 8 years with how leveraged it currently is, and none of the libs will even acknowledge that REALITY!!!

Man, those libs just don't apply simple observational skills with logic, do they?

This is what democracy looks like

That's great to hear but we need everyone to get out and Vote for Walker no matter what the exit polls are saying. I also don't think you are supposed to tell any results until the polls close.

We want a double digit return on our investment. GO GOVERNOR WALKER

Sorry!

AWESOME!!!

Get out THERE and vote fellow Walker Backers!

I did my part this morning...

►here would still be no over-time, no vacation pay, no benefits and no sick leave and you'd probably still be making $4 an hour.◄

This is a complete lie
You can not bargain with the taxpayer who has no representation. Public unions do not equal private unions and well you really just type the same ole lies that a spread across this horribly run campaign of Barrett's

Steve: It is the government run by our elected representatives that represent the taxpayer.

Not when they are on the side of the union.

The local school boards is where most of this failed. For too long you had school boards in 'bed" with the unions making bad deal after bad deal. Walker fixed all of this and look at the firestorm to prove being in "bed"

@Rich -

Of which, public sector union members get to vote for, just like everyone else. So, they are already represented at the table via their duly elected public officials. And, seeing as how public sector union members also pay taxes, they are in essence bargaining against their own self-interests. This inherent conflict of interest is why great labor loving men such as FDR, LBJ, Jimmy Carter, and the real James Riddle Hoffa, didn't believe in public sector unionization.

Funny how the public sector union gets to sit on both sides of the bargaining table...

Funny how the real world isn't perfectly black and white.

There will always be a conflict of interest regardless if public employees are members of unions or not, unless you prohibit public employees from voting in public elections, or unless you force the State to only hire non-resident workers. It is the same conflict of interest that occurs when employees of a company are also shareholders in the company.

@Rich -

Unionized employees of a private company have a choice as to whether or not they want to be shareholders. Public employee union members do not have the choice of whether or not they pay taxes. Now do you get the difference? Did I really have to explain that one?

Dead Man Talking: No you didn't have to explain the obvious. Of course you chose to so that you could once again talk down to somebody with a snide comment.

You either missed my point or chose to ignore it.

Damn those zombies - I think their sole objective is to help Schmitz avoid having to pay me, as I don't see anything in Barrett's platform that would attract a majority of the zombie vote!

Then again....

Going back to a time in the past might appeal to them...unless I don't get the whole zombie thing...which I probably don't.

Tim, some day you too will become an adult.

I’m an independent, who until recently, leaned conservative. I have become alarmed at the extent anonymous money and powerful financial interests have taken control of our polity and politics.

After the Citizen’s United decision our elections are now for sale, and the purchasers of the election don’t even have to reveal their names. I believe certain billionaires and banksters bled the economy into near collapse and may be on the cusp of controlling the US government, primarily for their benefit. I think they are using their money in an Orwellian fashion and that they are too far removed from the average person to run government for the people’s freedom and wellbeing. I think they just bought Wisconsin today and will now try to exterminate their opposition for good.

We’ll now see whether Walker will do as he said and unite Wisconsin and others that have been torn asunder by his actions. Hopefully he will have learned a lesson, try to do as he said and reverse the Machiavellian strategies and tactics he has employed so far. Hopefully he will now govern fairly and most people will prosper. I just fear that he and some of the other Republicans will over-reach, as they seem recently inclined to do.

See Ya! Over and Out.

@Dark Star -

Buddy! WALKER WINS!!!!

This is one of the greatest days in recent American history!

Dark Star: Well said. Let's all hope that We the People can get big money out of the pockets of what are supposed to be our Representatives. Help to reverse Citizen's United by signing the petition at http://democracyisforpeople.org/

"The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power." -- Franklin Delano Roosevelt

@Dark Star -

"In my opinion, when partisans blindly support a party nominee who is widely seen to be dishonest or unethical in his actions and words, then government has failed and isn’t working."

What happened to innocent until proven guilty in a court of law? Isn't that one of the cornerstone principles upon which our entire government was formed?

Your standard encourages even dirtier politics, as it encourages political opponents to make false accusations about their challengers in the hope that the public will eventual believe such lies.

I, and the majority of Wisconsin, believe in looking at the FACTS as opposed to false popular sentiments. And the hard objective facts were on Governor Walker's side!

It was the facts that elected Governor Walker again - not out-of-state millions. Why do you treat people like they're apparently so much less intelligent than you, in your apparent belief that they'd allow a 30 or 60 second commercial to form the foundation of their vote? It's insulting to the electorate if you ask me! There again is that liberal mentality on display via your desire that the government somehow protect people from themselves.

If you really prefer popular sentiment to fact, then might I suggest that reality TV show with Paris Hilton, as I think you'd thoroughly enjoy it!

THE PEOPLE have spoken! Not money - as dollars don't vote.

Spin it however you'd like Mr. Wilson, but the facts supported Walker and his message.

Meanwhile, Barrett and the left had nothing but LIES (recent pants on fire from Politifact) and no message because they weren't willing to fess up about their plans to raise taxes on the middle class.

WALKER WINS!!!!!

Although there was a lot of out of state money, keep in mind that 70% of Walker's contributions came from donations of $50 or less. The fact is the nation had a vested interest in this election as it's a precursor for November. So yes, was there outside money, of course... but the vast majority was from ordinary Americans... not the evil rich Kock brothers.

Way to continue on with the divisive rhetoric Wilson!

Proof positive that it was your side dividing the state and creating the civil war all along, but like a good liberal, you remain in denial.

Sore lefty liberal loser!

@James R Hoffa

Please do not ever under-estimate the mind-numbing power of marketing; people buy things every day that they do not want, do not need, and cannot use…

[The sun came out today, “Proof positive that it was your side dividing the state and creating the civil war all along…”] Yeah, right…

Moammar Walker survived because many Wisconsinites – whom I happen to disagree with – were marketed into believing that he should be remain in office to finish his term, because Wisconsin never had a recall election for a governor before. They were uncomfortable with the entire issue of a recall election and they were angry.

Still, Wisconsin remains divided, perhaps even more so today than it was yesterday, before the election. Whatever I post is not going to change that. Your red-hot diatribes, foolish rhetoric, and puerile accusations, aside, are certainly not going to change any of that…

The Supremes gave Republican’s Citizens’ United and they used it to outspend the Democrats 8-1 in the Wisconsin Recall Election. The Money Bomb was dropped with telling consequences, only that and nothing more…

That much money and the influence that it purchases might just convince even you to respond positively when the Lab calls to inform you that, “Your brain is ready.” Then again…

The whole recall effort was the result of mind-numbing marketing.

The Dems spent the last 18 months selling their lies about Walker's "draconian" policies, predicting nothing but 'gloom and doom' for our "gutted" school districts, making baseless accusations, and spewing vitriol to the point of creating and maintaining a divided Wisconsin.

The informed voters came out yesterday and voted to end it.

@John Wilson -

It's funny how I've never heard a word from you about how Obama bought the 2008 election, with large contributions from corporate donors and the most money from Wall Street ever recorded in the history of our elections.

But now that a Republican had the money advantage, it's evil and nothing but corporate America buying the government.

You may believe in double standard conspiracy theories, but the well informed voter wasn't fooled by your brand of propaganda and rhetoric last night - sorry!

And while Walker may have out raised and out spent his opponent, the recall effort as a whole, running since February of last year, spent far more overall money, time, and resources than Walker did in just this election. Let's be real, shall we?

Walker won on his policies, pure and simple - and you just can't stomach it.

Case closed! The people have WON!!!

I was hoping that today would open the eyes of the liberal left. Unfortunately they just continue to blame anything or everyone for the complete a@@ kicking they received last night. I hope you wake up one day and realize that you are in charge of your life and you can make it better. Stop looking for someone else to save you. The US is a great country and the loss for your side, while bitter for you, was a great win for Wisconsin and the country and hopefully you will realize that someday.

Got to love the death threats from the left. They get all crazy after a good ass whoopin'

John - THIS is what democracy looks like. Time to put up or shut up

@James R Hoffa & like minded Lemmings...

I am impressed by the fact – you do have a passing acquaintance with FACTS? – that you put your inane posts in quotation marks… that is, well, stunningly ego-centric… The use of (3) exclamation points is also incredibly juvenile…

Moammar Walker outspent Barrett by an over 8-1 margin; the total recall effort by the Democrats was just over 4 million dollars.

The 34.5 million spent by Moammar does not include independent expenditures and issue ads, paid for by out-of-state millionaires and billionaires like Sheldon Adelson,
Joe Ricketts and the Koch brothers, business groups, and the NRA… once you include these additional expenses the margin of actual money spent easily comes close to double the 34.5 million spent by Moammar… In other words, business and billionaires bought this election for Moammar Walker.

Citizens’ United threw the door wide open to this type of corporatism: ‘Corporations are people.’

WE THE PEOPLE no longer count. [In the interest of FACT here, the Citizens’ United decision occurred on January 21 2010; I would suspect that even you might know that President Oblahma was already in office by then, so your inept argument is simply meaningless and specious.]

Nice try though, Mr. Hoffa; please do keep up your rants… you are so entertaining…

Granted the evidence of the influence of money is circumstantial and cannot be absolutely proven, but none the less it is very compelling - http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/06/wisconsin-walker-recall-money-stats

John Wilson:

The use of three exclamation points is 'incredibly juvenile' while continuously referring to Walker as "Moammar" isn't?

Rich:
Considering that the polling numbers really didn't change all that much over the course of the recall election, I would question the idea that money was a significant factor in keeping Walker in office.

John Wilson:

The Citizens United decision in 2010 did has nothing to do with the funding of Obama's election--it was McCain-Feingold that opened the way for the big campaign donations. Citizens United was a court decision to uphold the contributions allowed by McCain-Feingold Act (which passed in 2002).

Ha, John Wilson is just the last one in a long line of light-weight leftys to lose it.
$50 says he is drooling.
Scott Walker will be Governor for ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

John, the people of Wisconsin have spoken!!! I have know for a long time that this is a very purple state, and that the majority of moderate and independent voters would support a Conservative Governor that actually delivered on the Conservative message!!! Governor Walker did just that!!!

Now it is time for you and your ilk (I'm beginning to like that word) to sulk back to your dank war rooms and figure out the real reason you lost those elections!!!
It's not because of massive amounts of money spent on behave of Governor Walker!!!
It's not because of the idiotic lies you spread!!!
It's not because of any voter suppression!!!

It's because the people of the State of Wisconsin, as a majority, know that we are just wasting massive amounts of money in the public sector!!!

In addition, most of know that the Liberal policies are robbing kids in MPS and Racine Unified by giving money to teachers with no results!!

Congratulations Wisconsin!!! Not only have the hard working taxpayers taken back their state, be beat back the last ditch effort of the Looney Left!!!

@John Wilson -

CowDung has also done an EXCELLENT job at calling you out on your crap.

This latest response from you - man, I can't even follow your logic!

You appear to be arguing that only Citizen's United would allow a candidate to raise inordinate sums of money from business interests. And yet, Obama did just that in 2008, before the Citizens United case was ever argued before the Supreme Court, garnering record contributions to his campaign from sources such as Wall Street and private equity firms stumping for green energy initiatives.

So, how exactly is post Citizen's United millions from business interests different than pre Citizen's United millions from business interests - as it all looks like millions coming from business interests to me, regardless of when the opinion on the case came down from the Court and became law.

Not to mention CowDung's excellent point: the 2010 election results and the polls were consistent throughout your little temper tantrum to the results we saw last night. There's no getting around that Mr. Wilson. Isn't the FACT that despite all the money spent, nothing really changed? Again, you appear to be upset that the money spent by your side wasn't effective in changing people's minds, as you apparently thought it should have been.

I think you're just upset because a majority of business interests have jumped ship from your false promises of hope and change and have instead went over to the other side.

So when it comes down to it, you're just angry that the majority of voters and campaign contributors don’t think as you do, as after all, we're just a bunch of easily influenced lemmings in comparison to your vastly superior intellect.

And I'm the childish, ego-centric one?

Is this guy for real?

Someone is not over their tantrum.
It is a great day to be from Wisconsin, everything is just awesome.

"astounding 779 votes"???

You libs will spin ANYTHING to try to get a semblance of victory. 779 is anything but "astounding"!!!

recommend that Van accept the official Board of Canvass results, as a recount would not be worth it based upon the recent recount of the Circuit Court race between Boyle and Nielsen, which was much tighter than this race was and didn't change the result of that election. The last thing we want is our very own Kloppy, although Van has already proven to have far more character and class than Kloppy.

The district that Lehman will be representing when he is actually sworn in to take his seat will be comprised of a constituency that CLEARLY doesn't want him, as the polls showed both last night and in the Wirch recall of last summer, as the areas of Wirch's district 22 that have since become part of district 21 went heavily for Republican Johnathan Steitz in that recall election. Clearly, the new district 21 is solidly conservative, while the new district 22 is solidly liberal.

In all honesty, this election represents a travesty, as now voters that don't want Lehman are stuck with him representing their interests until 2014. How is that a good exercise of democracy exactly? Especially seeing as how Lehman wasn't exactly thrilled about even running this time out, but was more or less recruited by the party into doing so due to lack of a viable alternative.

While it would be possible and highly probable that a recall of Lehman would be successful, it wouldn't be worth it, as by the time he's eligible for recall and the election held, it would be less than a year before the general election anyway. Not to mention that conservatives stand a good chance at retaking the senate majority this November in the new districts before Lehman ever has a chance to vote 'nay' on anything, thus invalidating Lehman's win last night as nothing more than a fruitless moral victory at best.

My guess is that Wirch will represent the preferred candidate of choice in the new liberal super majority district 22. Lehman will disappear in 2014 after either refraining from running again or being rejected by the new conservative super majority district 21. If Wanggaard chooses to stay involved in politics, he'll be the step up man for district 21, otherwise I see a newcomer from the Burlington or surrounding area stepping up to take the reigns.

As usual Hoffa, you are right. We would be better off using our efforts to get more good conservatives elected into the State Senate this November, then getting Van Wanggaard reelected in 2014.

Thank You GOD for Scott Walker!!!

@The Anti-Alinsky

The nonexistent, imaginary man in the sky that you refer to as GOD wants me to tell you that you are WELCOME... and, HE needs MONEY!

John, how could some one who is "imaginary" talk to you???
Have you been hallucinating again???
Lay off the pot!!!

Everytime you leave a comment it just assures me more and more that your IQ is below the average level of a 5th grader. You just compared polling numbers to the number of votes cast in the election of 2010 you moron. Now I see where the liberal votes come from.

John Wilson: Thanks for the insult, but it was Cow Dung that made that statement in response to my post, not me. I just posted the link to the numbers that show the huge outside of the state money that was poured into Walker's campaign. That money was being spent long before Barrett won the primary.

"We have the best government that money can buy." -- Mark Twain

Rich:

You graphic seems to ignore all the out of state money spent on the recall efforts before Barrett was a candidate. The unions spent more millions trying to get Falk past the primaries than the $3.9 million Barrett raised during his campaign.

The bottom line is that even with all the money spent, the results really weren't any different than they were previously. The money spent really didn't cause a significant shift of support from one side to the other.

"Moammar Walker" Gawd, that is so clever. Did you come up with that on your own? I'd love to be able to hang with a deep thinker like you. Making up funny names is so much fun.

John Wilson:

The Citizens United decision didn't change McCain-Feingold, it just affirmed that the obscenely large donations that were allowed and could continue to be made.

@Greg

I would like to take credit for that oh so appropriate first name, however, I am cursed with being both honest and accountable. I had to channel some of the best intellectual thinkers of our time to get to that and they were Rush, Hannity and Palin; once Sarah put her Pee Party approval on it, I just knew it was a winner...

Sorry if I've disillusioned you...

As CowDung has already told you time and again, it's the faulty McCain-Feingold laws that created the situation, not Citizen's United, as the Court can't just create law out of thin air - they are only charged with interpreting the law. It's a part of our system of government's separation of powers and checks and balances.

Ergo, the law that gave Obama his billion is the same law that gave Walker his millions.

You may want to bone up on your civics before coming back to the table!

And again, the amount of money doesn't matter, as last night proved - it's the message!

Ventura won in Minnesota spending a little over $200k, despite entering the race late and being outspent by his two opponents by almost 25:1 each on the two separate fronts!

Again, proof that money makes no difference - it's all about the message.

The only way in which one would perceive that money does make a difference is if your assuming that the electorate in general is of extremely low information and is non-thinking, or in other words, stupid.

So, Mr. Wilson, why do you have such a low opinion of those that don't think as you do?

Again, and yet I'm the ego-centric one?

Check the percentages rather than the vote count.

Barrett only really got votes in a few counties, the rest of the state supported Governor Walker overwhelmingly.

Put the handgun down John Wilson, grow up and become a conservative.

Republicans, we work hard so you don't have to.

@Wilson -

Really? I'm willing to bet that if you polled those people, they would not cite an advertisement as being the reason that they voted as they did. Many people were put off by the Dems fleeing the state, the Capitol occupation, the childish antics of your side, the recall nonsense, etc.

So, I don't see what you're trying to get at here, as there's nothing conclusive to prove your point anymore than there is to prove my point.

But that's the thing with you libs - you'll try to argue a subjective issue and call it fact based on what you consider to be a common sense reasonable assumption. The only problem is that what you consider to be a no-brainer, because of your pre-disposition premised upon conspiracy theories or just plain hatred, others see in a completely different light.

Conservatives, on the other hand, tend to stick with the hard objective facts.

Sorry Wilson, but you've just been served - BOOYAH!

@James R Hoffa

There are precious few FACTS in any of your diatribes on the Patch to respond to: excessive nonsensical verbiage is not FACT, personal opinions that you call FACTS are not FACTS, and although I am sure, you would wish it to be so.

I’ll get right out and poll everyone who has watched the Walker Pravda advertising campaign over the last year plus and I promise I will extensively interview each and every one of them to see just what marketing forces they have been exposed to. Yeah, Mr. Hoffa, I’ll get right on that.

You are one of the few people on the planet who simply does not understand the insidious and carefully crafted marketing campaigns/techniques that impinge upon us daily; it is primarily because of the subtleties of many of these approaches that make them so effective in changing or forming personal opinions. Yes, we all know when the TV, radio, newspaper, friends and our prejudices and upbringing are changing our neurons to form different beliefs and values or enforcing untenable concepts and ideas. That is certainly clear. [I call that BOOLAH; Africans refer to that as elephant shit.] And that, Mr. Hoffa, is exactly what you are great at: spreading full piles of unaltered, fully formed mountains of BOOLAH...

@Wilson -

So wait a minute. Are what you saying is that you're mad because the Court ruled that McCain-Feingold couldn't limit speech independently conducted outside the realm of the campaign itself?

Because I thought you were talking about contributions being made directly to the campaigns themselves.

So basically, what you're saying is that you think it's reasonable for the government to limit independent speech based upon some arbitrary dollar amount. And you don't see the slippery slope in that position?

The decision applies to everyone equally you know. So where exactly lies the dangerous threat to our society?

Remember, we already established that message, not money is what influences people to vote a certain way. So, I guess I'm not understanding your argument here? The Dems could have put a lot more money into Barrett if they wanted to, but they chose not to because he was a weak candidate and all indicators showed that it would have been throwing money in the toilet, even if Barrett had been able to outspend Walker.

To see if this decision truly favors one side of the political spectrum more than the other, we'll have to wait for November. But so far, indicators would appear to say that your supposition on this matter is false. If Obama's being outspent, then why is he still leading in the polls? I honestly think your complaining about nothing, and using this a convenient excuse to try and mask your whining over the fact that your side lost the recall election.

Would you also like the government to limit how many partisan favored posts Hoffa is allowed to make on open forum websites such as Patch? Where would it stop?

@James R Hoffa

No, Mr. Hoffa, I am not writing just about free speech, although even you might understand that the Supremes have put limits on that.

I was not even talking just about putting campaign limits on money going directly to political campaigns themselves.

I was addressing the full scope of Citizens United which deals with speech, super PACs, money going directly into campaigns, the ability to hide donor’s contributions from the eyes of the public, so WE THE PEOPLE will never know who, what, how, when and where all of this money is coming from. Millionaire and billionaires, businesses and the NRA, which cries and whines every time someone even mentions the name GUN and yet had a convicted felon as their president, all gave a tremendous amount of money to the Moammar Walker campaign and on the side gave to super PACs, paid for ads, et al, without any transparency whatsoever.

These are the folks and the $$$ that control the speech, the message that we hear; you, of course, see no linkage between $$$, access to the media and speech… it must be comforting to remain so blissfully ignorant of political realities.

“Remember, we already established that message, not money is what influences people to vote a certain way.”WE have NOT! YOUR BOOLAH!

Keep your mind games for your Lemmings; they are impressed with that… I am not.

In the past, we could easily FOLLOW THE MONEY; since Citizens United that is a very difficult, if not impossible thing to do…

@Chad

I would really doubt that Oblahma is going to outspend Willard... What you are not getting here is that I am really not mad. I wish it was that simple. I am very concerned about what is going to happen to WE THE PEOPLE when millionaires and billionaires control EVERYTHING!

It is bad enough today with both houses of congress controlled by the banks, Wall Street and huge corporations and as soon as they get into trouble, WE THE PEOPLE have to bail them out.

Chad - who in their right mind names a male child Chad? - everybody loses; we pick ourselves up after a loss, learn from it and move on. The only person who never loses is one who never risks anything, and that is not a life worth living...

OK - that just sealed the deal on any semblance of credibility that Mr. Wilson once had here on the Patch!

BTW - exactly what level of IQ must one be at in order to escape the clutches of "the insidious and carefully crafted marketing campaigns/techniques that impinge upon us daily," so that we might still be able to exercise some guise of self-determination, as you're most certainly living proof that not everyone falls victim to such campaigns!

I'm just hoping that someday I'll evolve to having at least half of the intellectual capacity that you have obviously been graced with - after all, I don't want to get greedy now, do I?

@James R Hoffa

It saddens me to have to say that I have never met a Conservative with a positive IQ nor have I met a Conservative who had evolved beyond the most rudimentary stages of human existence... you folks always want to go back...

Yes, Mr. Hoffa, they always tell me they want to go back to the good 'ol days of [John Wayne] or even further back, when they could give the Indians alcohol and shiny beads - Conservatives are obsessed with shiny beads - and small pox and rape, rob and pillage their villages, where men were men and you just took what you wanted, and yet, and yet, they cry like little babies if you swear at them. Real men...

You do not put IQ or evolve in the same sentence with Conservative as that is truly an oxymoron... unless, of course, you are being humorous and that magically eludes them…

Conservatives never quite get the concept that life is all about change; there are (2) things in life that no one can avoid, change and death. Taxes can be avoided; they are everyday by corporations and individuals… you simply cannot escape change and death.

Any questions? Talk to the hand...

The days of giving the Native Americans alcohol, shiny beads or small pox infected blankets were long gone by the founding of the Republican party or Conservatism. The irony of your statement is that the man who is considered the founder of the Democratic party, Andrew Jackson, didn't even pull stunts like that, he just took their land and sent them packing somewhere else.

You should be ashamed of yourself, but I know your not!!!

That number alone means nothing, where 55% tells you a lot.

Raw numbers of votes do not tell the whole story, particularly when you are trying to claim that money has influenced the vote. You cannot claim that Walker gained votes and dismiss the fact that Barret did as well. The percentages remained pretty much the same as the previous election. Walker's spending did not cause a shift in the electorate...

Can you read John? You quoted Tim as saying "Although there was a lot of out of state money..."

He even went on to say:
"So yes, was there outside money, of course... but the vast majority was from ordinary Americans..."

What part of that statement is "simply not true"?

@John Wilson -

What you fail to realize is that money isn't the problem - PEOPLE are the problem.

If a billionaire believes in a candidate's policy positions, platforms, and message, then what does it matter if that billionaire gives ALL of their money to that candidate's campaign, simply out of a belief in that candidate?

SO WHAT - WHO CARES!!! If the candidate still does exactly what they said they were going to do during their campaign, or at least stays true to the spirit of what they ran on without allowing themselves from being unduly influenced by their campaign contributors, once elected, and there's no so-called crony capitalism going on during their tenure, then there isn't a problem, is there?

The only point at which it becomes a problem is when people give money to try to change the candidate or to get something from the candidate once they're in a position to do so, correct? Like Obama giving a wealthy campaign contributor a $500M taxpayer guarantee on their green energy company (Solyndra).

But, instead of holding the drug users accountable, the unduly influenced politicians such as Obama, for their actions (which is call accountability), you, in a true liberal fashion, want to point the finger at and blame the drug dealer, the campaign contributors that try to buy politicians.

But not all rich contributors that donate to political campaigns are trying to buy politicians, are they? But your answer is to penalize everyone, just because some people are unscrupulous characters, out of some arbitrary notion of fairness that's supposedly meant to protect people from their own stupidity. I'm sorry, but that's not an American principle that I grew up with!

Instead, the America that I know would say hold the DIRTY POLITICIANS ACCOUNTABLE, LIKE OBAMA, by impeachment, recall, and/or voting them out of office. Go after the drug addicts here, the dirty politicians, as that's the way the system was set up to work since our nation's founding. After all, all the supply in the world for a product, in this case buy-out money, is for naught if there isn't a demand, in this case dirty politicians (like Obama), CORRECT?

So why not go after the dirty politicians with our laws, instead of the limiting the rights of the honest people on the other side of the equation simply because there are a few bad apples? Why do find it acceptable to let the politicians get away with breaching their oath by engaging in quid-pro-quo arrangements with their contributors? Even if you're not, you appear to be willing to excuse such behavior as opposed to holding them accountable, yet want to restrict the rights of the millionaires and billionaires.

And for the record, no one on your side has been able to name one specific thing out-of-the-ordinary that any Walker donor has received, that solely benefits and/or applies only to that donor, from the state since Governor Walker took office. And yet Obama - there's a laundry list of crap quid-pro-quo dealings starting with Solyndra! And yet you say nothing about his 'evilness' here.

Wake up Mr. Wilson and please stop being a hypocrite!

Ventura won in Minnesota spending a little over $200k, despite entering the race late and being outspent by his two opponents by almost 25:1 each on the two separate fronts!

Again, proof that money makes no difference - it's all about the message.

@CowDung

Tim said, and this is in my post to Tim, "Although there was a lot of out of state money, keep in mind that 70% of Walker's contributions came from donations of $50 or less."

"70% of Walkers contributions came from donations of $50 or less." That is INCORRECT... 66% of Walkers contributions came from out-of-state bundlers, millionaires and billionaires, giving massive amounts of $$$ - check the URL provided - and do a little basic research... You simply cannot have 66% of Walker's contributions coming from millionaires, billionaires and bundlers from out-of-state and have 70% of all contributions being $50 or less.[ 66% + 70% = 136%...]

One of many reasons I am so fond of percentages...

John Wilson:

Your response to Tim's statement was that "even a hasty internet search will reveal that Walker got two-thirds of his total campaign contributions from out-of-state contributors.". You didn't question the size of the contributions at all. Instead, you stressed the point that 2/3 of the contributions came from out of state donors.

@Greg

I don't know if the Dems are insisting on a 10-1 margin in spending or not. I am using an 8-1+ margin myself, however this is not counting all the issue ads and spending that went directly to promote Walker, and did not go directly to the Walker campaign. I am not a spokesperson for the Dems...

When I talked with Oblahma, he informed me that his lack of appearance in the state was a strategic decision; the exit polls bear out that it was a good decision, as, even though people voted for Walker, these same people stated that they would vote for Oblahma by a margin of 53%.

In other words, they parsed the state election as one thing and the Presidential election as something else. Many of these folks simply did not like the idea of a "Recall Election" - PERIOD! Oblahma was wise beyond his years NOT to get involved in this state election, as it surely would have cost him votes from Wisconsinites in the Presidential election. Strategy here, nothing more; besides, Oblahma does not need WI to win term 2 right now!

Debbie Wasserman Schultz is the head of the Dem Party and she controls the purse strings... I do not know how much $$$ she sent this way and that is an issue for the Dems. I do know that Oblahma is going to be very competitive here in Wisconsin and Willard probably has a Slim to nothing chance... and Slim has left town.

Democrats and math do not mix. They are people of feelings and emotion. Their feelings are hurt, and the only thing that they can fault is Governor Walkers financing the campaign to get it won. They are too emotional to look in the mirror and see that they were too cheap to fund Barrett. John, I think you are way off with 8:1, but if not, who cares. I know that if Barrett had $20 million more, he would have spent it. Nobody wins an election based on how few dollars were spent per vote, they win by getting more votes. Walker raised money, Walker spent money, Walker won the election.. done deal, no regrets.