Tosa Takes First Step Toward Gun Ban in City Venues
City buildings and certain events in Hart Park would bar both concealed and openly carried weapons under city attorney's proposal.
By the time Wisconsin's new law allowing people to carry concealed weapons goes into effect in November, Wauwatosa could have its own law in place that is considerably more strict in banning weapons from city buildings.
"Right now, open carry is legal," Police Chief Barry Weber reminded a Common Council committee Tuesday night. "You could walk in here with a gun strapped to your leg."
Currently, weapons are banned only in part of City Hall while Municipal Court is in session.
But a provision in the state concealed-carry law not only allows municipalities to ban concealed weapons from any or all of their buildings, it allows them to ban openly carried weapons as well, said City Attorney Alan Kesner.
Kesner's office introduced a proposal Tuesday recommending that the Common Council do just that.
The proposal covering city buildings is fairly cut and dried. A memo from Kesner to the Community Development Committee says, "The Common Council should introduce an ordinance prohibiting the possession of weapons at all city-owned and operated buildings" and post signs accordingly.
A second recommendation covering public spaces outdoors is a bit more complicated.
The new state law does not allow the city to ban weapons from parks, either openly carried or concealed, Kesner said. It does, however, allow the organizers of special events to ban weapons from their venues.
Citing the principles of "police power" and "home rule" granted to municipalities, Kesner said, the city can make it a condition of the rental contract with event organizers in Hart Park and its stadium that they must ban weapons during their events.
Kesner's memo to council members addressed only the city-owned park and not events held in other public spaces, such as on city streets during festivals.
"The law defines special events pretty tightly," Kesner said in an interview Wednesday. "It states that they have to be events for which there is a gate or designated entrance and where admission is charged.
"I think that open-air events like Tosafest would be tough to sell as something you could control under those conditions."
The Community Development Committee discussed the proposal only briefly before voting to introduce it formally at its next meeting in two weeks.
Whitefish Bay has already passed a similar ordinance and Brookfield is developing its own. In Sturtevant, meanwhile, the police chief is against a ban in Village Hall.
Aldermen did ask Weber about his thoughts on the matter, and while not specifically going on record for or against the proposal, he said simply, "Keep in mind that the government's first duty is to protect the pubic."
Ald. Jacqueline Jay expressed her concern that the public should be given ample opportunity to speak on the matter, and Kesner assured her that all committee meetings where it will be discussed would, as always, be open to public comment.
Weber had one final thought for the evening, speaking, he said, as someone who had been carrying a weapon for 39 years.
"It's a travesty that in this country people don't feel safe unless they're carrying a weapon," he said. "It didn't use to be that way."
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The text of the city attorney's memo is attached in the photo gallery.
Gene German
3:45 pm on Wednesday, September 14, 2011
Remember these words -Aldermen did ask Weber about his thoughts on the matter, and while not specifically going on record for or against the proposal, he said simply, "Keep in mind that the government's first duty is to protect the pubic."
So for those people who would have had the means to protect themselves, by banning those means (firearms) it will shift the burden for their personal safety to the city and at the same time, remove any possibility of immunity for the city. I hope the city attorney fully explained the entire issue of his proposal including the unintended consequences, to the comittee.
The law only provides the city immunity for it's decision NOT to ban firearms (not weapons). There is no immunity provided the city for the consequences of their decision should they decide to ban firearms (not weapons).
The new law does not allow the city to ban, tasers, billy clubs or knives (not a switchblade).
jbw
8:44 pm on Wednesday, September 14, 2011
What court would entertain the argument that a city is responsible for any crime that hypothetically could have been interrupted by a citizen with a firearm?
Aguynamedsmith
9:08 am on Thursday, September 15, 2011
Mr. German, what part of the law prevents cities from banning Tasers, billy clubs or knives? The state preemption law applies only to firearms.
APatchyPrincess
5:25 pm on Thursday, September 15, 2011
Mr. German is not replying, Aguynamedsmith, because of course property owners are allowed to ban tasers, billy clubs and knives.
blurondo
7:31 pm on Wednesday, September 14, 2011
The only purpose for a handgun is to kill a human being. They should be declared contraband as is heroin.
jbw
8:51 pm on Wednesday, September 14, 2011
Heroin use has been legal in some countries for years, with surprisingly little to no negative consequence. It's an interesting parallel to the similar results observed with legalizing handguns. I think it's something about how just banning the tools we use doesn't change the kind of people we are or the social problems we face.
jbw
8:34 pm on Wednesday, September 14, 2011
It sounds like with possible bans in offices, stores, and municipal properties, that it wouldn't be practical exercise your right to carry - unless you just keep it concealed and hope you don't get caught like criminals do now. Is defeating the spirit of the bill the whole point?
I still don't see how a handgun is supposed to make me feel safer, though. It only functions offensively. If an armed criminal is going to attack me he already has the advantage of initiative. Once he attacks, I can try to respond with my concealed weapon if I'm still alive, but the weapon isn't improving my defense. It's pre-emptive offense, i.e. "kill him before he kills me", which isn't a very relaxing thought. Locked doors, walls, and body armor are defense.
Bucky
5:08 pm on Tuesday, November 1, 2011
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