Individual Signature Requirements
The specific requirements that apply to each signature on a petition to recall a local officeholder
are listed here and can also be found in GAB 2.09, Wis. Adm.Code, which incorporates by
reference the requirements of GAB 2.05, Wis. Adm. Code.
• The signature listed must be that of a qualified elector of the jurisdiction or district
represented by the officeholder.

never mind the rampant criminals in the walkkker maladministation. Keep us posted on their latest double dealings wontcha? Let me know the latest person personally appointed by walkkker to get slapped with a felony, k?

roger it is a John Doe.... information comes as it is allowed to be released. Gov. Walker requested this investigation so I am very pleased at his honesty and integrity. Seems right now the spot light is on some dems being charged with felonys........ Or is that ok because they have a 'D' behind their name?

I read your link......

In order to be a qualified voter, the signer must be 18, a U.S. citizen, and not incarcerated or on probation for a felony. (The signer does not have to be a registered voter.)

Spud: BUT felons who are on probation can NOT sign.

From your link: "In order to be a qualified voter, the signer must be 18, a U.S. citizen, and not incarcerated or on probation for a felony."
I think that's what was said.

Just another effort to disenfranchise voters. Felons that did their time, served their probation and are off probation are eligible voters in the state of Wisconsin. People need to get their facts straights before accusing someone of doing wrong. If they did thert time and are off probation they are eligible to vote...no big deal.

Um, Mike: What part didn't you understand?

What strikes a nerve is the divisive lies that you continue to perpetrate. I understand you need to whip up a frenzy for your ilk, but your words are just hateful. I don't even think Sen Wanggaard would appreciate you bashing his constituents in public like this. Unless of course you are ready to publicly admit that conservatives don't actually care about the people. You speak of facts, what facts did you present in the statement of Racine's 'epic number of felons'? I didn't call you a racist, I just brought up the notion that your statement was racist given the demographics of Racine.

Hmmm...

Jrock makes me think of J-Bone, Ice-T's character name from Johnny Mnemonic (1995). Anyone else?

I'm thinking Sunnyvale Trailer Park myself. Different spelling, but that's what comes to mind, mmmsayin'?

Jrock:
Save playing the race card for when it applies.
Ever hear the story of the little boy who cried wolf?

Jrock, everyhting you said I agree with. She is looking to grasp straws and report items that are assumed and not factual. You would think she would have looked up the Wisconsin Statute and talked to someone about who is eligible to vote before assuming someone knows someone who knows somoene who is a felon...so what. That someone that did their time, I would trust more than any Wall Street Accountant asking how much money I could invest or better yet an attorney advising they need a small down payment.

@Noelle Lorraine -- Nice low blow, there. Speculate that jrock is incarcerated ( Could jrock be your prison name? ) and then jump from that to an 'assumed' fact ( I mean peep, or whatever it is you call it in the clink. )

Your writing ability seems to be adequate (from a quick scan) but I dispute your reasoning. As I said elsewhere, your informant may know individuals who have been convicted of a felony, but does she know for certain they haven't completed their full sentences? Or do you prefer to work off whispered gossip?

Signed, Randy1949, legal registered voter, not a felon, and proud signer of the recall petitions.

Struck a nerve? Uh yeah a lie does that to you! comrade, clink, racine... Showing your true boot licking, racist, fuming fascism! Thanks for pointing out the sarcasm ya dink! Not only is your writing style grating and self righteous, it's factually wrong. Certainly not news, something like pulp fiction for fascists...

atthec44 - get a life man.

Yeah, the statute is actually stated verbatim in the original blog post, saying exactly what you said. That's the whole point. It's difficult for people trying to verify signatures to sort out felons who have or have not completed their probation. Don't blame Patch for your inatteniveness as a reader.

The state list of ineligible voters provided to polling places includes the dates on which probation will end. The GAB is sending these out now for the February election and there will be on-line lists available for elections that take place after February.

http://gab.wi.gov/node/2179

Clearly, the GAB does have information about ineligible voters. While I'd be willing to believe that the GAB didn't want to provide a list of ineligible voters to the author of this blog, the implication that they don't have this information is clearly untrue. If the author had done her research, she would have known that. Another possibility is that she was well aware of the facts and chose to ignore them because making it sound like the GAB is incompetent suits her agenda.

Randy, after what about a week of the senators recall petitions being posted we did not see Daffy or Mickey. They keep hoping to find at least one so someone like Noelle can post it on here. So far the barking has turned to a quit moan.

It’s not the Donald you're looking for but Daffy signed it. You can see it for yourself, it’s right there on pg 83,493 of the Scott Walker petitions.

@attec44 -- Just out of curiosity, where does Daffy live? (Somewhere up north, I'm assuming.)

@attec44 -- The Daffy Duck name, signature and address were crossed out on the petition. As the recall petition circulators said they would before turning in the sheets to the GAB.

@atthec44: I am on Walker's side with this issue.
But in all fairness, Daffy Duck was crossed off. By being crossed off I assume it wasn't counted by the movement or the GAB.
Full and fair disclosure.

You are 100% correct Randy, Daffy is crossed out as it should be. Unfortunately, due to either gross negligence or fraudulent behavior there are a lot of signatures that should have been caught before they were turned in.

@atthec44 -- "Unfortunately, due to either gross negligence or fraudulent behavior there are a lot of signatures that should have been caught before they were turned in."

Example, please?

How did the recall movement count their signatures? They submitted 100,000 sheets and claimed 1 million signatures. It's pretty obvious that not all of the sheets have 10 valid signatures on them.

From the sheets I have looked at (set 1-50, set 3901-3950, set 5001-5050, set 98001-98050, set 99051-100000, the average is a bit over 6 signatures per page.

I didn't leave out any 'questionable' signatures, but I did not count the ones that were already crossed out.

Careful what you wish for Randy…

On Page 6 - petitioners all signed between 1/8/12 and 1/12/12 but the circulator signed 11/12/12.
On page 152,246 – circulator did not fill in a name or address.
On page 152,245 – circulator did not fill in a name, address, municipality, date or signature.
On page 152,242 – petitioner lists their street address simply as “Eric”.
On page 152,240 – petition lists their street address as “Cathedral Ct, 112th St”
On page 152,238 – circulator did not fill in a name or address
On page 152,231 – petitioners all signed in January 2012 but circulator signed on 12/11/2011
On page 6,043 – petitioner did not date
On page 6,019 – petitioners did not list a street address

Have you seen enough, or shall I continue?

On page 152,222 – circulator dated 11/13/2012
On page 152,219 – petitioner signed on 1/13/2012 but circulator signed on 12/31/2012
On page 152,208 – petitioner used a PO Box number
On page 152,326 – petitioner did not sign

Want more?

On page 152,314 – petitioner (who is also the circulator) did not fill in a date
On page 152,309 – circulator dated 12/5/2012
On page 152,324 – circulator did not date

With as passionate as some people are about recalling Scott Walker, I would have thought that they’d at least have enough respect for the process to take the time and do it right.

@atthec44 -- After wasting half an hour of my life searching out the Daffy Duck signature that turned out to have been crossed off, I'll have to take your word for it that people made mistakes on the forms. OMG!!!111!!!! Rampant fraud!

I can only vouch for my own signature and those of the petition I turned in, which was scrupulously filled out and dated.

I wouldn’t classify these as “rampant fraud”. Rampant fraud would be what happened to the gentleman from Racine whose name and address appeared on FOUR separate Van Wanggaard petitions despite never putting pen to paper on a single one of them. My examples should likely be attributed to either negligence or stupidity and judging by the behavior I’ve seen from the type of people who support the recall over the past 12 months, I’d say it might be both.

Who knows if Noelle just didn't get 3 of her felon friends to sign petitions so that she had something to write about and blame on the Dems ? This would be typical of the Repubs.

Kringle guy, a glitch on my credit is all you'll find on me. I am not ashamed of that- most people today have hit a rough spot. It's funny coming from a man with a kid like yours. That's right- I know exactly who you are. But this is not about mudslinging, it is about people signing who shouldn't. But whatever makes you feel better.

"coming from a man with a kid like yours. That's right- I know exactly who you are. But this is not about mudslinging"

No of course not. You actually don't know much Noelle.

Your CCAP file shows you were taken to court for eviction and $8000 in owed cash. A glitch? Who can say. I have never hit a "rough spot" is it okay for me to judge you - my pastor would say no and I would try to listen.

So while you and your friends are crosschecking names on the CCAP list to find out if any felons signed recall petitions, remember your name is in the same database saying you didn't pay your bills.

That makes you an eligible voter, but a lousy choice for writing a column called "Doing things the RIGHT way."

Is it mudslinging Noelle when a person posts something unflattering about you (that's true) but not when you allege recall volunteers allowed felons to sign petitions? Good luck with your witch hunt.

Kringle Guy:
Chillax dude!
Felons on paper are prohibited from signing- or at least they are deemed not elligible by law. They also can't vote or own a firearm, legally.
What is wrong with that?
You then in your next breath condemn someone for not paying a bill.
Does that mean poor people should not vote?
I am trying to understand your reasoning, but it doesn't pass the smell test.

Kringle, digging around on CCAP to embarrass someone is tawdry and totally not relevant to the discussion.

Hey Kringle, Being in debt is not a crime. Pulling up her record is irrelevant to this discussion. Perhaps I should CCAP you and post here, or perhaps CCAP one of your close relatives and post on her? I bet you are now wondering, how does he know? Do you really want to play that game? You may know who Noelle is, but she is not being a coward by hiding behind an alias.

hypocritical liers will not enjoy the revolution...
traitors like yourself, even less...

LOL! You don't want to be involved with the court system, don't get in trouble.
Like the petitions, CCAP contains open public records.
You don't want to be seen on either site, your choice is really very simple!
Put your thinking cap on before you try and make a point.

Heather I almost replied: I sure as hell would not plead guilty to a felony because I was afraid.
But then I thought of someone who did just that thing. That person plead guilty to avoid a prison sentance in exchange for probation.
To the topic related here: That person could not legally sign unless they were no longer on probation/parole.

Correct, but why publicly announce and give a platform for nothing more than to dig into people's pasts? I am sure the author wouldn't like it. CCAP is wrong to begin with. It gives people who have paid their dues a life sentence. And it gives half stories at best. And it tells the world when you were divorced and where you lived and if your dead father owed a bunch of money. Its wrong. And for Patch to give a platform to someone who simply wants to dig up dirt on people because of their political beliefs...well, I believe that is wrong too.

So, then by your admission, you've looked on CCAP to see what people are all about then? I guess you're just as guilty as the "radical right" that post on The Patch.
Quit labeling people and you'll be amazed how easy it is to look at another as a "Person" as you would have it. Knot a 'radical', Knot a 'racist', Knot a 'right-winger', Knot a 'tea-bagger', Knot a 'koch-sucker'..... etc.... Understand where I'm going with this?
How about the good things about CCAP like if you need a new babysitter. Are you Knot going to research a person that you are considering hiring to watch them? It plays it's role more often than it's used to dig into somebody's life.
By the way, CCAP does not contain information on jury trials if you weren't aware of that. That information is only obtained by going to the courthouse and filing an 'Open Records Request' and anyone can do that, including felons.

I read your story several weeks ago in your blog. To be honest it made me throw up a little bit. If you notice, I did not comment about it at the time. I don't know the details about your issue, but I will say this: We put ourselves in a position with our actions. Sometimes we are positioned in a good light, other times maybe not so good.
Some very good people have made mistakes that follow them forever. It is unfortunate for them, but that is what defines us and shapes us into the person we are. The sooner one accepts responsibility, the sooner they can move on with their life.
I do think that if you are arrested and charged with a crime, then found guilty in the courts- 99.9% of the time you are guilty. More often than not, courts find somewhat in favor of the accused. Rarely do they put an "innocent" person in jail.
With that being said, you may be a .1% er.

No, I only know because of stories shared with me. I do NOT look up people on CCAP because I know how misleading it can be. And I don't have strangers take care of my kids EVER.

No. I would not be touting a different opinion if the she was a liberal. I do not work like that. If I think something is wrong - I don't care who is doing it. My views do not change.

Knot? Really?

Craig - I was and have never been arrested. Never read my rights. And I have never seen the inside of a jail. Ever. Even my probation officer testified to end my probation early because he knew what a ridiculous joke it was that I was even in that position. My attorney even worked for free to have the probation ended early. Chances are, if I hadnt been so scared and not pled to something for which I was not guilty, I would not have these things to worry about today. But I was young and stupid and scared. And there was no way I was going to take a chance when I had a baby at home. So yes, I have made mistakes...but I do not deserve to pay for that for the rest of my life.

Heather: We all make mistakes. I think you are beating yourself up more than anyone else is. CCAP doesn't give all the details. If it is important enough to the inquirer, they can request records and be privied to that information. I think most reasonable people would understand there are almost always mitigating circustances. Unless there is a rap sheet as long as my arm, one infraction doesn't tell much about a person at all. Any reasonable person would not pass judgement on you based on CCAP.
Personally, I think you should write our good Governor to ask him to absolve you of your record.

Shameless promote all you like! Nice work!

Who in thee hell here is defending that??? READ MUCH??!! If someone did something wrong by illegally signing - then strike their name and take action. Arrest them if that is the law. Calling out your coffee clutch to search people on CCAP is WAY different. You really need that explained to you?

Being a felon does not make someone NOT QUALIFIED TO sign the recall petition. Being a felon who is currently serving time or on parole would. As noted earlier, there are a total of 75,000 felons in the state on parole. Even if we give you back 75,000 signatures, one for every parolee who MIGHT have signed illegally, you're still a half million short of negating the recall.

Have you ever looked yourself up in CCAP? If somebody looked me up in CCAP, they'd find a whole bunch of listings that have nothing to do with me. That's because I have a common name. That's just one of the more obvious problems with using CCAP to determine whether or not someone is eligible to vote. I've used it to see if I could figure out where my ex-husband was and to get information about an employer who cheated me out of a sizable sum of money. What I found, among other things, was that they may list arrests but not convictions or sentencing and they may list lawsuits, but not the resolution. I also discovered that the lawsuits against my former employer (she cheated lots of folks) all named a secretary, who had nothing to do with cheating me, as the defendant. Thus, CCAP would have little if any useful information to add to this discussion or to Ms. Lorraine's witch hunt.

I heard they set up their own private internet connection just to get around open records laws! (Oh, wait, that was someone else...)

Right, the left are the only ones who engage in illegal activity, like setting up a private internet connection to illegally conduct campaign activities on the taxpayer's dime.

kbb: I know of a teacher who set up his own unauthorized internet connection too.
He wasn't fired, and there was no media coverage.

One more thing KRINGLE GUY- if I lived on taxpayers via state assistance- I most likely would not have the creidt glitch from the rough finacial spot I hit. But even as a single mom without child support- I worked myself out of the monitary slump. So not only am I not ashamed of it- I am actually proud.

I don't think we are verifying the recall to try to overturn the will of the people, unlike our Democrat friends, we accept the outcome of elections. We are verifying the signatures quite simply because it is our right to. Rights are like muscles, if you don't exercise them they wither away. I personally am looking forward to defending the results of the 2010 election and based on every poll in the last 2 weeks so is a majority of Wisconsin. If I was on the other side of this debate I would be worrying less about opinion pieces in The Patch and a lot more about the future of my movement as it looks rather bleak.

@Steven (because convicted felons are well known for their political activism, right?)...
you tell me- no don't. we'll find out, trust me.
Seems as though you are very concerned with what the election results will be. And rightly so.

@Cynthia - I earned because . . . . .???

Fact is, if 25% of the signatures are invalid, the recall still succeeds by a wide margin. I, and a million of my fellow Wisconsinites, signed because we don't want to see this state become the next Indiana, Louisiana, or Mississippi.

Wisconsin Precisely needs to be the Next Indiana! Right to work is the way to go. THe other side want's to be California, the state that is about to run out of money

@Paris -- So it's not just the public sector workers you want to union-bust? I think you mean 'right to work' two jobs at minimum wage, and don't even think about retirement!

I have plenty in retirement and have NEVER been in a Union. Unions hold people back. Sure, that erson may make $40 per hour screwing a tire on a car, but all they will be doing is screwing that tire on their car for the rest of their lives. To say nothing about what Unions have done to destroy whole companies. Look at GM. Of course, they are still around because Obama bailed them out, which, by the way, was a payback for the milllions toward his election

We all see the price of Union loyalty. Take MPS for example. THe Union contract, with no concessions, was crammed through before ACT 10. THe cuts came, and Hundreds were laid off. The School board asked the Union to renegotiate, the Union called a vote, only allowing active teachers, not the laidoff ones. These Union members that constantly proclaim solidarity and sacrafice for eachother, VOTED NO! So much for caring about thier fellow workers. They just wanted to protect seniority and cushy bennies for themselves. To say nothing about the six figure salaries of the union bosses. WHat are they sacraficing?

By the way, right to work states like TN are thriving! I can't wait to be like them. And when Walker wins, that's coming!!!!

@Paris -- Have you ever screwed a tire onto a car? In fact, I'm on the verge of asking if you graduated from college.

You're out of touch when it comes to how much people make per hour for screwing tires onto cars. It's a lot less when you're not in a union, and you can end up doing it for the rest of your life anyway.

So. You judge people by whether or not they went to college? Hell, bush went to Yale, Obama to Harvard, how did that work out for us? To answer your perceived insult, I am forever a Marquette Warrior, mass communication major and Comp Sci Minor. But that is irrelevant. There are many that have done extremely well with just high school education. Even Steve Joba was a college drop out. My $40 figure was a deliberate exaggeration to make a point. I was trying to say that the unions hold people down. Many are discouraged from going into management because management is "evil". I don't like the idea of people negotiating for me. Nor do I like being forced to join the union. We are seeing that since Act 10, union membership in public unions has dropped by thousands. That says it all.

Dont get me wrong, if people want to unionize, it's their right, but now the playing field is leveled. Unions are no longer the ones in control. Things like teachers having seniority are over! We can keep the good ones and get rid of the dead weight

See the movie Waiting for Superman, an excellent case study, made by Liberals, that talks about the damage unions have done to public education

One final point, if someone doesn't like the wages they are getting, they are free to work somewhere else. It's a free country.

Where did you go to college, and what do you do?

LOL @ Randy1949...Have you ever screwed a tire on a car?
Was it any good?

@Craig -- As a matter of fact, I've screwed a tire on a car. If I'd been a smoker *wink-wink* I'd have smoked one afterwards.

It's nasty work. And I know non-union people who do it all day for $9 an hour. Paris sells stuff for a living. How much per hour is selling stuff worth?

Paris - to imply MPS shoved anything through as a result of Act 10 is dishonest. That contract was in negotiation for a long time and settled before Walker was elected. And not to mention - no, to mention- it contained millions in concessions. And also not to mention - WEA Trust does not provide their health care. And if you know the teachers I do, the ones that teach my 3 kids, you would never call them selfish, or thugs, or greedy. Even if I granted you the premise that MPS teachers are greedy, which I don't, Walker allowed the cuts to my kids schools knowing they would suffer from a devastating loss of teachers and that was okay with him. There could have been a provision providing extra funds until the contracts ran out. He didn't because he doesn't care a crap about MPS and just wants it dismantled. Admit it, you do too.

Contract - A legally binding agreement.

@Paris -- University of Wisconsin. University Lake School prior to that.

What do I do now? I've worked in the medical field, I've made stained glass windows, and now I'm self-employed. The important thing is that I seem to speak and write better English than you.

Why are you knocking my profession, nothing happens until something is sold! Unlike some professions, if I don't produce, I don't get paid. There is no such thing as tenure to guarantee my job. I am also have a graphic and we design company. So I am an evil entrepreneur :) I'll ask again, what do you do?

I don't just sit around and wish I had it better, then wait for the government to make me successful, I make it happen on my own!

staph........ were you pissed off after doyles last budget (which was rated in the top 10 WORST budgets in Nation) had a massive layoff of MPS teachers? Or was it ok because doyle was a dem? Were you upset because doyle cut education even when receiving Educational Stimulus Funding? So really you are showing how bias'd you are....

Right to work states doing better than union shops states is yet another right wing legend -- http://tinyurl.com/7npualw, just like so many other things.

The big difference Cynthia is Doyle did not take away collective bargaining.

@Paris Procopis...After what you have written I don't think I would be sharing where you received your degree and your major. You'll give the institution a bad name. Neither mass communications or computer sciences are what I would call classic academics. While at university you should have taken a wider selection of academics; if you had you wouldn't make such foolish statements. All I can say is that if you and George W. Bush could get degrees, then anyone can do it, except for our governor who quit with a 2.35 agpa.

@ Cynthia , why I'm responding to someone who calls me staph and who doesn't really understand it has nothing to do with STD's, and, by the way, is quite offensive to those of us who have lost people close to us from the infection picked up in the hospital (babies nonethe less), I do not know. But yes, I was outraged. But it's amazing what people will put up with in increments.

Lyle, how's Obama's Harvard degree working out for you? You have no logical argument so you resort to personal insults? Explains why your side is losing :). Have a great day!

well just calling you by the name you earned on FB...............

@Paris Procopis...Obama's law degree from Harvard doesn't impact me one way or another, nor his degree from Columbia. I don't see the relevance of his degrees to the arguments anyway. What I was pointing out to you before is that you don't seem to be able to make a classic argument in support of your position and suppositions. Everything you are using to support your position has very little to do with the subject at hand and everything about how wonderful you are, which is to use this forum only to puff your already over sized ego.

Retired now, I can say that my education has served me well and Noelle is using fear to justify her position, which has absolutely no relevance to petition validity. From what I can tell she has way too much free time on her hands.

Yes, I am certain- beyond the shadow of a doubt actually.

@Noelle Lorraine -- Good for you. 53,997 to go.

I agree Diane. Let me "do unto others" but look the other way at me because I have never made a mistake is Noelles pholosophy. Noelle can basically try to punish the felon again but her mistake or unpublished mistakes were justified. Kind of like calling the kettle black. This is what is wrong with society now. I would even bet that there are HR people who will look at who signed the petitions and makse sure these people do not get the job they applied for. Matter of fact in another article one man did say that. I for one have not liked CCAP and really have nothing in it except a traffic ticket but this can and will be used against you as long as it is up and running.

Right -- "My neighbor served two years for resisting the draft back in 1970. He's a convicted felon and I saw his Liberal name on the petition. Get him!"

Presence on CCAP doesn't necessarily mean having committed a felony, right? It's for all kinds of legal cases?

@Craig -- I think they were responding to Tracy Janecek, who said: "LOL! You don't want to be involved with the court system, don't get in trouble.
Like the petitions, CCAP contains open public records.
You don't want to be seen on either site, your choice is really very simple!
Put your thinking cap on before you try and make a point."

It seems a lot of people 'get in trouble', some of them through no serious fault of their own.

The 1.9 million figure was reported by some media before the official announcement and turning in of the petitions. It's actually correct -- all the signatures, including those for Lieutenant Governor and the several state senators add up to roughly that number. Of course there will be signatures thrown out on any petition, but for Governor Walker, it would have to be almost 50%. I don't think there are that many felons and cartoon characters in the state.

Randy: I missed that....still trying to adjust to these trifocals. It's like reading through a fish bowl.
:-P

You have a decent platform to run for Governor.
But of all the topics you picked to start off with disenfrenchfried felons?
Felons on paper can't vote, it is part of their punishment.
We have a right to freedom until we are found guilty of a felony. Or do you propose to release every incarcerated felon?

And without a single shred of evidence, the beat continues!

Actually, you wrote about signatures by ex-felons who may or may not be ineligible to sign. The fact (if it is fact) that there are signatories who have had felony convictions does NOT invalidate the signature. You need the additional fact that they are still either incarcerated or on parole. Otherwise, they are just one of the million plus VALID signatures.
And in this whole fiasco, there are no winners. If the recall succeeds and Walker is tossed out, we won't have won. We will have merely cut our losses.

*Wow!* or are you trying to say *Whoa!*
*Noelle*
*I've*
*cell (no comma needed)*
*Racine*
*ridiculous*
*You*
*judgemental (again, no comma needed)

And you still have the nerve to call someone dumb.

Not nearly, Paris. As I said, there aren't that many felons and cartoon characters in the state.

You need to invalidate a half million signatures to negate the recall. After 24 hours of Noelle and her many minions combing through pages of petition sheets, they've identified nine names of people who are likely eligible to sign, but whose felonious past gets Noelle's knickers in a twist. But, you clowns keep on burrowing through the paper. The dems are prepping for the election.

Nobody's trying to negate the recall, although it would be icing on the cake. We just want to know exactly how much cheating and fraud actully happened. Everybody who wants fair elections should support what those verifying the petitions are doing.

BTW - Has anyone seen Angry White Dude, AWD, FreeAWD, or whatever name he's going by today, recently?

I miss that guy!

Probably got arrested for a hate crime.

Goes to the credibility of the source. Allowed.

@James R. Hoffa -- Look closely at the posts of Saxon Realm. Something smells familiar.

I think I saw his picture posted down at the post office last week.

CCAP doesn't include enough information to determine voter eligibility.

@Stephanie -

The problem comes from team Tate and Zielinski claiming that all the signatures were carefully vetted by recallers so that only valid signatures would be submitted to the GAB. If bad signatures are found, then those claims were obviously lies and should not have been made in such definitive terms, correct?

What "baseless accusations" are you referring to exactly? I don't see anywhere in her blog where Noelle is claiming that the entire recall effort is going to invalidated - do you? She merely ponders "I wonder if, in the end, the recall forces will have enough valid signatures to even trigger a recall," and what is so wrong with that? That's no less insulting than your side insisting that the majority of voters got it wrong in 2010, is it?

Let's be honest and fair here, shall we?

Let me rephrase that - implied accusations.

Jimmy - Voters were clearly misled in Walker's intentions in 2010. If we're wrong about that, then he's nothing to worry about, as he should attract the same level of support as last time. If not, then the problem will be rectified. Either way, it will occur according to the State's Constitution and through a fair election.

Voters were misled is a logical impossibility. Check out this site.. http://www.weac.org/LUC/newsletters/october%20Lakewood%20Lookout.pdf It is WEAC's own site, see WEAC's own newsletter. See the Barrett/Walker comparison grid on Page 4. ANd all the stuff about Walker curbing collective bargaining, killing the WEA Trust healthcare plan, etc. The unions knew full well this was going to happen, and WALKER WON! P.S. Don't bother having the Union take it down. I have screenshots and the PDF of the whole newsletter :)

Paris I personally like this article BEFORE the election

"Our members oppose taking away their rights to collective bargaining, so they would definitely raise their voices against it," Christina Brey, speaking for the Wisconsin Education Association Council, said of Walker's plan.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/101771723.html

Stephanie it was confirmed in the comments above:
Randy1949:And you're certain these people had not completed their sentences and probations and were thus [in]eligible to both vote and sign petitions?
Noelle Lorraine: Yes, I am certain- beyond the shadow of a doubt actually.

Cynthia, nice :) The WEAC newsletter from the link is October 2010

I'll grant you Walker wanted state public workers to pay more, and not a bad platform to run on. Not entirely wrong. He did not run on ending collective bargaining ( and before you say people have a choice, it's like giving people a choice whether to pay taxes), which is an integral part of American history, a check on the industrial revolution, and a counter- balance of unchecked capitalism - which I believe in, but not without checks and balances. Naked, unchecked capitalism would be brutal.

He also didn't run on destroying public schools, which he is showing the willingness to do in the favor or private, religious schools who can pick and choose the best students, while paying primarily female teachers 30,000 a year with minor benefits.

Let me remind you

"Our members oppose taking away their rights to collective bargaining, so they would definitely raise their voices against it," Christina Brey, speaking for the Wisconsin Education Association Council, said of Walker's plan.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/101771723.html

Also what school was destroyed?

Stephanie, his reforms saved public schools. Unlike Doyle, Walker gave the schools the tools to use before making the much needed cuts in state aid. So, the impact has proven to be positive! By the way, you are showing our hypocrisy by not having tried to recall Doyle for also making cuts to schools, which let to hundreds of layoffs.

So which is it... 9 or 12?
At 3:30 you posted above that there were 9, down here at 3:18, you say 12.
Don't you think everyone has a right to know the accurate number of real signatures?

If you consider a million people to be a “sheer mass” what do you call the approximately 3.3 million qualified voters who chose NOT to sign a recall petition?

KBB, it's only been a couple of days, I fear this is the tip of the iceburg. Remember in Ohio, their referendum had over 300,000 invalad signatures. Oh, and by the way, in Ohio the Union Bosses won, and the workers got laid off. I suppose you prefer layoffs to jobs as long as the Union keeps power. It's all about worker's rights, right? Fascinating!

The bigger mandate is that in 2010 the voters of Wisconsin gave complete control of Wisconsin government to Republicans, in an historically blue state. Then we reaffirmed that mandate by re-electing David Prosser despite that Supreme Court election being labeled as a "mandate on Scott Walker". How many more elections need to be held before the left realizes that Wisconsin is rejecting their ways of running the state?

Oops! "Mandate on Scott Walker" should have been "referendum on Scott Walker".

KBB, with all due respect, we have no idea how many people signed. Do you honestly believe 1 million is a real number? It's a PR Campaign. nearly 1.2 Million voted for walker in 2010. Barrett got 1 million. there are over 3 Million ellegible voters in the state that DID NOT sign. A "message" would have been 1.3 or more. I am thinking the REAL number of signers is about 700K based on the fraud numbers from Ohio. Most of those people came to WI shortly after.

The Kloppenberg election was historical. She was an unknown candidate, as Prosser was a shoe-in. He even took public funding (which no longer exist - thank you Governor Walker) knowing there was no opposition. That she almost won was an amazing feat, and due to the political climate. But we digress.

Not hard to do with the unions pulling the crap they did.... They didn't vote for kloppy, they voted for the union label..............

Also doing it Chicago style..........

I disagree Stephanie, Klopp was completely well known. Remember the millions of union dollars thrown at her so she could hang Walker around Prossers neck. Remember "it was a referendum on Walker". Your side Lost! Then the unions spent $50 million to steal the Senate. And your side lost! That's right you did gain two seats, Kapanke in a Democrat district, and Hopper, with significant baggage (barely won). But the unions failed where it mattered, Alberta Darling won with a larger margin than the last time she ran! EPIC FAIL! I like Walkers Odds! So, what will you say when Walker wins again? The voters have spoken? I doubt it. You will cry and whine and probably sue, start mor recalls. This recall is nothing about rights or children. It has everything to do with POWER. You lost it, and you want it back! The biggest issue is the part about making union membership VOLUNTARY. So it is about rights, the right not to be in a union, and the right not to be part of the Union shakedown. How dare us voters say no do what the unions try to force us to do. Well, look around you, the domino's are falling all over the country. More and more states are becoming right to work, and it's coming to soon to state near you :)

Mike #1 no one in the Assembly is in the recalls........ #2 only 2 arrests have been made of Scott Walkers staff (WInk was asked to resign when he first found out about her commenting on State time) (investigation was launched when Scott Walker was informed of missing funds) .... An employer hires you expecting that you are trustworthy... There is no crystal ball to see if an employee will break that trust. If you read the full articles you will see the John Doe does not involve Gov. Walker, he asked for the investigation and just because liberal blogs want to make stuff up does not make it true.......... BTW how about the dem charged today with 2 felony counts for bribery?

Tough to take an opinion seriously when the person giving the opinion has no clue what they're talking about.

4 Walker appointees arrested - Kevanauh (appointee to Veteran Servise Commission), Darlene Wink (County Constituency Coordinator who still has 2 charges against her - with immunity), Kelly Reindfleish (deputy chief of staff), and Tim Russell (too many appointments to count).

Ooooooh, from an investigation Walker initiated! But you are so in kook aid tank that you did not bother to notice that little tidbit.

That was supposed to be Kool Aid not kook aid. LOL. Darn autocorrect :)

How about Jail for those circulators that certified that all the signatures on their petitions were legit.

How hard can it be to look at 1-10 signatures and cross out the invalids before they signed their name to it and accepted responsibility for them?

How hard is it to keep your integrity and not commit fraud?

Cynthia, it's harder when you are looking at hundreds of names that were copied from a phonebook :)

Really, Paris? Did you expect them to ask for a photo ID? Or to give a signer the third degree about whether they had signed the petition before or planned to later?

So far, I've seen one obviously spurious name (Daffy Duck) that was crossed off the petition, and that's all an average citizen can be expected to do, short of having a lie detector on hand or ESP super-powers.

Oddly enough, I did question the petition circulators when I signed, to make sure they were for real and not GOP plants looking to get my signature and then burn it.

Randy, then you went the extra step. Let's jsut say, that as a legal document, the burden is on the one that submits it. The circulator signs it as reaffirmation. the law is right on the petition. NO EXCUSES!!!

I think it's obvious that a circulator should have marked off someone from a State other then WI ...

Paris, after a little Googling, I think you might want to rethink suggesting jail for circulators whose signature later turned out to be invalid.

People do the best job they can at the time, eh?

Oh Randy, you must have no social life. "I am aware that falsifying this certification is punishable under §12.13(3)(a), Wis. Stats." That's the key language. NObody falsified nomination papers. All addresses were verified. Nice try

And the recall of an elected official is a bigger deal than nomination papers. I guess I should have gotten more signatures. Who knew? LOL After allI am not a professional politician

No excuses? Please don't make me post a link.

Let's just agree that a petition circulator works with the information given him by a person signing. If a signer lies or makes a mistake, that's hardly the fault of the person circulating the petition or the person upon whose behalf s/he is doing it.

I am not talking about mistakes, I am talking about blatant fraud. Circulators that Knowingly verify a fraudulant petition. When you know the petition signatures are the same handwriting as the circulator, that's fraud and should be prosecuted. They deserve Jail. If a person the circulator doesn't know gives bogus info, then we just strike the signature.

Either way the signature should be stricken.

Out of curiosity what crime did Walker commit that you want him in jail for?

@Paris -- Like Nixon, we will probably never know what Walker knew and when he knew it, both about government workers using public time to campaign for various people not twenty feet from his office, and about at least two of his appointees embezzling from charity funds. At best, he's just incompetent, unobservant, and a poor judge of character. He was in charge, you know.

I said jail would be nice, but my hope is that he returns swiftly to private life, where he belongs.

But why the recall? Just vote his ass out in 2014. I felt the same way about Doyle, never pondered recall. Getting a do over was not the intent of a recall IMO

You don't have to impress me but what you're writing here is out there for the world to see. I found it ironic that you wrote a comment full of spelling, punctuation and grammar errors but still managed to call a published blogger dumb. Then, when I thought it couldn't possibly get any worse, you post this gem.

*I'm*
*I'm*
*grammar*
*slip(no comma)*
*there*
*words(no comma)*
*I'm*
*me*
*didn't*
*Noele*

You've done more to misrepresent the residents of Racine than any blogger ever could. And just for fun, I got off my laptop and used my phone to post this comment.

Paris, your post proves a point about the value of teachers.

Other than that, I am not _squawking_ about _felons_ _who_ have not paid their debt to society being struck from the petitions. I simply don't think their number will prove to be significant.

Nicely stated.

@patchreader 123 -

Did you honestly expect anything less from the fabulous Bob McBride?

BTW Bob, did you get your last payment of peanuts from the Koch Brothers yet, mine was short one whole bushel :-)

Just curious, Steve. So, if you lost your house to foreclosure, like a friend of mine did because he was laid off from a job, developed heart failure, and ended up in a shelter while awaiting SSI and housing assistance, you are disenfranchised?

He was the workingest man I knew, as long as he could do it, and he's lived in Wisconsin all his life. I don't think he signed a petition, but don't you think he still has the right to vote?

Randy,
No homeless person should be represented. This is America, land of the free, Home of the brave. Did you notice they didn't say "land of the free and homeless brave"? They really aren't humans. I don't think that they can feel pain, at least it doesn't look that way when I slingshot quarters at them.

You guys can come up with any excuse in the book for this sorry recall.

Get to know your shelter address then if the recall is so important.

Name gets scratched and the person collecting the signatures goes to jail, loses house which is given to the homeless guy that signed.

Guy didn't even spell homeless correct
Yep, really lost his job, house and developed cancer all while sill trying to save babies in Africa.

@Steve -- "Guy didn't even spell homeless correct "

That would be 'correctly'. He didn't spell 'homeless' correctly. He still has a voice.

He still has a voice like Paris, who ran for office and really should make a better case for himself ought to.

He has no voice and is not a real person just like half of these "signatures" It's some idiot signing homless on thousands of pages.

So his name is Mr. Matthews but he signs C settles.
Then next line down you have Rachael and her signature is Wandrey

You guys are setting yourself up for failure with these fake 1 million lines. Election time comes Walker will be stronger than ever. From fake PO boxes to fake homless people to quadruple names this entire thing is a joke.

@Steve...homeless people have as much right to vote as you do. There are procedures in place for establishing residence and identity for voting purposes. Judging from the general tone of your posts; I would guess that the average homeless person is smarter, better educated, and better informed on current events and the operation of government than you are.

There was no recall and no taxpayer money spent................ One was started due to criminal acts, but it never happened, ament resigned. Don't think you'll find a Conservative against a recall for criminal acts.

Ament betrayed the public trust by gouging the taxpayers for cushy retirement bennies that we are still having to pay for. All walker did was pass a bill making Union membership voluntary .

You do realize that many people signed the recall petition for Walker because they think HE is a felon and not fit to hold office, don't you? The John Doe investigation might end up saving all of us a lot of money and time because Walker could end up being charged with major crimes and doing a Blago. Of course you will still be defending him and whining about how poor Scott has been treated by the awful libruls no matter what he and his cohorts do. But if you seriously think Walker is being recalled because "All Walker did was pass a bill making Union membership voluntary", I would actually feel sorry for you for such shallow and uninformed thinking. Why don't you ask a few people why they signed the recall petition? There are hundreds of reasons given by signers. Guess you really don't want to know what they are or think about that, though. You might have to face reality.

A recall was started against Ament and he resigned, allowing Walker to run for the office. Walker therefore benefitted from the recall begun against Ament. How can you argue that he didn't? Use some logic.

Seems the unionistas are the ones that think that........ The taxpayers disagree!!

If it sounds like a duck it probably is a duck. QUACK :)

You do realize that Walker initiated the investigation way back when he was county Executive? Don't you? So the in-the-tank Democrat DA, years later is arresting people, right in the midst of a recall? Hmmmmmm, interesting. Who'd a thunk it. LOL

I agree, gray Davis passed some bad legislation and should not have been recalled.

Davis planted the cancer in California. Brown will be its hospice nurse. Liberal cancer kills the golden state :(

@Tonto...You have the antecedent completely wrong concerning CA. Their problems began when Howard Jarvis and Paul Gann pushed and they passed Prop. 13. Its been on a down hill slide every since.

I understand. More tax robbed from people to give to the likes of you. Tax is the problem and its bringing down the whole country. Oblamer and his new and improved communism is only going to speed up the process.

Taxes not the problem. In fact they are lower than they ever been.

The problem is Grover Norquist. Greece is where they are because people were not paying their taxes.

Sure, thats because Oblamer and his dems HATE taxes LOL, LMAO.......... tell me more about how low taxes are. Comrade.

@Tonto -- the last time I checked, federal income taxes remained at their 2008 level and there had been a temporary reduction in the FICA. The FICA reduction is an Obama proposal.

And Lyle is correct about California's Prop. 13.

Sales tax, payroll tax, fuel tax, property tax, sin tax, excise tax, social security tax, medicare tax, auto registration tax, utility taxes, fines, fees, transportation tax, tolls, i could go on for days..and .oh.yes.... INCOME TAX.. lets just call it for what it is THEFT under the color of authority :) You theiving liberals make me ill.

@Tonto -- most of those taxes you mentioned aren't even federal ones. President Obama has nothing to do with property tax, which I agree, is a killer. But someone has to pay for the street lighting and the fire department.

I'm sorry you're feeling ill. Take an aspirin and don't call me in the morning.

Oh, i forgot DEATH TAX you little communist :) shall I go on? Oblamer wants all your money. Communists always take EVERYTHING.

@Tonto -- President Obama hardly invented estate tax. And frankly, we should all be so lucky as to have amassed enough of a fortune to owe tax on when we pass. For everyone else, there are trusts.

Please don't call me a 'little communist'. I'm neither.

@Tonto...I don't know why or what has made you so angry. In any case, Noelle broached a legitimate issue and one that will have an impact on further actions. I know that I expected these kinds of issues to be brought up. However, as far as I am concerned no one on the right has done anything out of line with regards to the norm.

Your attacks on Randy1949 and myself appear to be generalized to some kind of targeting of those who disagree with you. Such attacks, I would venture, are largely ignored, by serious participants and only detract from the purpose of the dialogue. I, for one am not a communist but a social democrat. You probably don't understand the difference, but that's OK. I would rather have you taking shots at me than others who are equally undeserving of your rath, I am used to the tactic.

Read - http://biggovernment.com/cstreet/2012/02/03/new-california-budget-crisis-may-torpedo-november-tax-increase-initiative/ - i win you... are a blind sheep :)

Wrong. The Repubs only slowed down the liberal cancer with some chemo. Brown is overseeing the bankruptcy proceedings. The problem is trying to hide it till after the election so as not to embarrass liberal ideaology :)

Liberal economics 101: http://biggovernment.com/cstreet/2012/02/03/new-california-budget-crisis-may-torpedo-november-tax-increase-initiative/

The Terminator was no fiscal Conservative. Republican or not, he did a lousey job. Proof that GOVERNMENT cannot spend us into prosperity!

Always starts out so friendly.............

@Cynthia -

Touché! :-)

And that bothers me, frankly. A lot. What happened to civil discourse where you disagree about the ideas and opinions, but leave the personal out of it since, let's face it, we don't really know anyone on a personal level.

It really is okay to agree to disagree, to have a robust debate about the issues and when it becomes apparent that neither side is going to move over, then just shrug, shake hands and still be friends despite the different opinions.

@Heather A. -

You know that Hoffa supports and advocates for civility, as do most commentators from our local Patch. In all honesty, it would appear that most of the riff-raff is coming to us courtesy of the Huff Po or Milwaukee area Patches.

Just a personal observation.

Heather ... What is it the Hoffa does not understand. He speaks of being civil which he's not and then ignors your request again and spews about the Milwaukee riff raff.
Hoffa remember ... everytime you speak you cheat your azz out of another fart.

The big lie? In addition to all the fraud on the petitions we have teachers lying that they are sick, doctors that lie and sign fake sick notes, unions that lie and say they were willing to negotiate when they wouldn't even negotiate with the toadie Doyle and the lie that Walker is "assaulting" workers "rights". Have another glass of kook-aid.

Thank you very much!! As I see the comments of any substance come from conservatives on this thread, I will keep it going for sure! Thanks again.

better watch your back, spreading lies like this will not be tolerated...

Roger Dodger:
Are you trying to be that big of an idiot or does it come naturally to you?

I think it come natural for him and his ilk.

Why should he be kicked out? Reading those liberal hack blogs?

and your one of them.

Let's not let the facts get in the way. The GAB statement actually hurt they recall process no? Casting doubt on the process by making such a statement and you think they're lefties? What was actually said is that people could sign the petition under any name they like.
DUH! you can scribble whatever you want on one of those forms, that doesn't mean it will count. THATS WHY THERE IS A VERIFICATION PROCESS you damn fool. Most of the fake signature were done by republicans to discredit the democratic process; one of their key strategies.
I'm sorry who was it that showed up with enough votes a day and half later to overturn the last state wide election in wisconsin? this traitor, nichols, is a republican hack who literally worked for poser and walKKKer. She shows up with enough votes on her private computer, that she took home with her the night of the election, the next day and overturns the "election" of her for boss... so go f ya self lier!

Roger again you are proving you are an imbecile. Nicolas' error was caught by canvassing and the investigation proved no tampering. Even your beloved DNC mouthbreather said so.

Look here and see all the cheatin dems: http://electionfraudblog.com/daily-election-fraud-news/

And again Dodgeball: She never had touched the ballots. They were sealed by the local municipality 30 minutes away and transported to a secured holding area for what turned out to be a tantrum recount. Oh yeah, and nothing was different even with the recount. Seriously, do you even live in this State?
My guess is you live in the State of Denial.

@skinnyDUDE -- And for the last time, the GAB didn't really say that. http://www.wisn.com/politics/29998848/detail.html

@Lyle -

Don't worry. Our side has Angry White Dude, or whatever name he goes by these days. He always manages to give me a laugh, which is why I love that guy :-)

@Bucky -- The court system also deals with civil matters, and people involved in civil suits aren't criminals.

And Paris has traditionally been a man's name until Ms. Hilton came along and spoiled it for everyone.

LOL, can't wait til this blows up in your face............... BTW pretty bad a dem ended his political career over $500.00 2 counts of felony ....... and will be interesting what all comes out of cogg's office, one resignation already..........

Cynthia ... As County Soup, Walker hired people that had previous criminal back grounds. Red Flag ! Walker hires two Top Gun Lawyers. The Birds are singing for fear of going to prison and are puking their guts out. My guess is that Walker is looking at multiple felony counts. I think Walkers in deep do do and he knows it. Looks like the Eagle Scout may be in the near future working on making license plates in an effort to earn his license plate Eagle merit badge..

Cynthia ... You really have to be some kind of a wack job. What is going to blow up in my face ? I don't care about Coggs or the other idiot but apparently you do. I can't believe that no one learned a lesson when the Mike McGee's chit came down. What are you going to do when Walker goes to prison. Walker has to be the biggest felon living in the state right now and that's who you support ? You have to be kidding me.

Hey bucky, been reading your comments for quite some time.... Look in the mirror and you will see the wack-job...

Btw, can I borrow your crystal ball to see what the lottery numbers will be?

How can you be selective over illegal activities of Elected officials? BTW, what charges have you dreamed up on Gov. Walker to make him the biggest felon in WI? You all 'claim' he's going to jail........ on what grounds?

@Stephanie Purvis -

Why does it bother or concern you that she is?

Getting a bit petty here, aren't we? Grow up already or take your hate and vitriol back over to the Daily Kos where it will be appreciated!

@Stephanie - Noelle is a resident of Wauwatosa and thus, counts as a local voice for her beliefs in her community. If you wanted to blog about the recalls or food or movies from your perspective, that would be great, too.

@Purvis, Why are your a stalker? I'm seriously concerned about your children with you spending as much time as you do on Facebook and following and posting on The Patch..... Oh yeah, these comments are usually supposed to be relevant to the topic right? Or would you rather focus on the individual writing the pieces in typical Liberal fashion??
Noelle is twice the woman and mother you'll ever be!

Thanks Heather. I'm one block shy of being a 'tosa resident.

James - I asked a legitimate question and it was answered. Is calling someone a member of the tea party full of "hate and vitriol?" In fact, show me one statement I have made that could be considered hateful?

And Tracy, I am commenting on a public forum, have not posted anyone's personal information and am being generally respectful. You need to do a little soul-searching and ask yourself who is really doing the stalking. And what I do in my private life is none of your business.

@Stephanie Purvis -

I seem to recall a discussion involving you attacking Noelle over on another of her blogs here on Patch, entitled 'Gossip, Gingrich, and the GOP,' initiated by you which included accusations of trolling, cyber-bullying, etc., that became both very personal and very heated.

I believe the statement made here to be an extension of the sentiments you expressed about Noelle over on that blog. I think in all honesty, you know this to be true as well.

If by chance that was a completely different commentator going by the same screen name of 'Stephanie Purvis' over on the other board, as such has happened in the past here on Patch, then I apologize and stand corrected.

However, if that was you over on the other board, then I stand by my original comment.

Case closed!

@Hoffa - That was me and, while maybe this is not the place to hash out these kinds of issues, nothing I said was misrepresented. I don't know Noelle and have never torn her apart, brought up her personal life, nor gossipped about her on any page. So when I saw her name pop up as voting for me on a FB poll created by a bunch of cyber-bullies, bullies who are causing people to silence their voices on our own pages, I was very upset. I won't apologize for standing up for myself. Here is the poll, though my full name and votes have now been removed. https://www.facebook.com/#!/questions/182148085226516/

Case closed.

@Stephanie Purvis -- that page cannot be seen unless you're signed into FaceBook.

@Tracy Janecek -- Speculation about a person's parenting skills is needlessly personal, don't you think?

@Stephanie Purvis -

By your own admission, "[t]his has nothing to do with politics, this is personal"

If you were honestly concerned about Noelle's credentials to be a local voice for the Wauwatosa Patch, you could have either posted a private message or sent an email to the Wauwatosa Patch's editor. Instead, you knowingly posted a publicly viewable comment on her blog regarding the matter, and based on your own prior assertion of the issue you have with Noelle as being "personal," one can only come to the logical conclusion that you did so in an attempt to continue the flame war that you started over on the other blog. If you can't admit that, then you're not being honest with either yourself or us.

None of us on Patch are aware or even care about what the two of you are doing to each other over on facebook, the Daily Kos, BigGovernment.com, whatever. So whether she started something at one of those other sites or you did, please just keep it and resolve it over there instead of trying to spread the divisiveness to the Patch. After all, it's already spreading like cancer and little tactics like these don't help put a stop to it, does it?

That's all we ask, and I don't think that's asking too much. Do you?

Now, if you want to challenge Noelle on the ideas she espouses here, more power to you and I look forward to the logical, rational, and CIVIL debate, as I hope you do as well.

Cheers!

Hoffa - I've been thinking about your past post. If you'll notice, most of my comments on this page have been directly related to this blog piece, or were until my integrity was called into question.. You are creating the drama by bringing up previous posts I made on a blog about gossipping and misrepresentation of character and was calling the blogger out directly on her own behavior. Pretty relevent to the topic if you ask me. If you'll also notice, while I have been commenting on the political discussion, people who I don't know, and who think they have something on me (which they are making up) have been attacking me personally.

As far as whether quesitioning the blogger's jurisdiction is appropriate, I'll give you that's debateable. I would have felt sneaky going behind her back. It's not what I want to do. I'm not as seasoned as you on these matters.

@Stephanie Purvis -

"Question for the Wauwatosa Patch - Why is a Waukesha tea party activist a local voice for the Wauwatosa Patch?"

Anyone reading this comment would detect some political animosity being conveyed towards the author of this blog, otherwise you would have left the "tea party activist" part of your comment out of it, as you yourself now admit that the question was solely jurisdictional in nature, and not political.

However, on the other board, you made it clear that whatever issues you have with Noelle have "nothing to do with politics, this is personal."

So how else is someone supposed to interpret such comment knowing somewhat of the background between the two of you, in that's it personal and not political?

The flame war over on the other board may have been on-topic to what was being discussed in the blog posting, but if you honestly expect us to believe that there were no ill-intentions in the way you went about making the above quoted comment that you did on this board, then you fail miserably.

Just admit that this is merely a part of the petty personal attacks that carried over from the other board, and let's move on already!

For the record, I find many of the 'antics' committed by both sides of the aisle to be extremely childish and unbecoming of those of strong character and integrity. Nor do I condone or endorse any of the personal attacks made upon you by anyone else commenting either on this board or the other one.

@Purvis, you seriously think you are that innocent and have never posted any personal information on Facebook on ANY of the pages you post to?
You have posted some very vitriol hate messages towards our elected officials, against people that don't agree with you and have "trolled" other pages to copy/paste what other people are posting about. How do I see this stuff? People really think you have some things wrong with you that you have this much time to be everywhere you are. Yes, I'm guilty of being on the internet a lot. I can't help it, my job is kind of being around computers a lot. I carry a phone with a data plan and my email notifications go ap3sh1t when reply after reply are posted and they state "Stephanie Purvis has replied to a post you commented on".
Don't you read and acknowledge the replies that tell you to get lost with your constant babble against the "Republican Machine"? Wake up lady, your children will grow really fast and if this is the model you are giving them to follow, you might as well let Ms. Prichard raise them!

@Randy, I'm sorry if you see it that way. Believe me, if I wanted to address her with anything regarded as "personal", it would have been in an entirely different inference and content.

@JRH -- The only way to make a searchable database would have been through manual data entry. The OCR technology for scanning handwritten material into editable text does not yet exist. That would have been rather difficult under a deadline. I don't believe it was ever promised that duplicate signatures on separate petitions would be vetted out -- just the obviously fictitious names.

I'm not upset at Noelle's blog so much as I'm upset at the tone of it. Every petition will have some problem signatures. There's no need to find a few and crow about it and draw conclusions about the honesty of the recall effort in general. That is the moral of the story.

@Randy1949 -

I understand and agree with your point for the most part, but team Tate and Zielinski asserted during a news conference that all signatures were properly vetted for legal validity and AN ACCURATE COUNT prior to being submitted to the GAB, did they not? So I'm just wondering how they obtained an accurate count given all the stories that were flying around about people asserting that they had signed multiple petitions. Or, perhaps Tate and Zielinski should retract their previous statements on this issue, as is common practice for the two lately, and release a more accurate and honest statement regarding their vetting procedures. If I were in favor of the recall, I'd be mighty upset at Tate and Zielinski for proclaiming a highly unrealistic standard, because even you must know that the pro-Walker side is now going to hold the recalls to the standard that they proclaimed. And so far, it looks like the Dems are failing miserably on upholding the high bar they set for themselves.

The Racine County Sheriff just launched a massive fraud investigation regarding the Wanggaard petition!

If Tate and Zielinski had been more honest about the situation upfront, then perhaps there wouldn't be such scrutiny given, but they did and thus is the reality that we now have to deal with.

@JRH -- I didn't see the press conference, so I can't analyze their exact words. If they weren't careful about their wording, then, yes, I'm upset with them. Are you okay with the standards of 'humanly possible', especially given the time constraints? Because it was obviously not in the interests of the recall supporters to overestimate the number of signatures.

Up until now, it's been the legal responsibility of the person being recalled to challenge the signatures, and that seems to be what is happening.

I really couldn't care less about Wangaard. That's not my district, and I have no control over it whatsoever. If people signed fraudulently, shame on them.

@Randy1949 -

I'm more than fine with the standard of 'humanly possible' given the time frame that they have to work in. I understand the logistical nightmares of even attempting to do something like this in first place.

But I'm also reminded how last year the Dems hired an out-of-state telemarketing firm to check up on those who had signed the recall petitions against 3 of the Democratic Senators that had fled to IL during the BRB vote. The Dems alleged fraud and submitted legal challenges to the GAB in an attempt to discredit those recall efforts. Despite the fact that many found the phone calls to be personally invasive and harassing. And now that the Repubs are scrutinizing the current recall petitions with even a little more vigor and without the personal harassment of the invasive phones calls that the Dems used, the recall supporters are crying foul? Why the double standard and hypocrisy now coming from the left over this? Do they honestly believe that only conservatives would ever try and cheat on something like this?

The Dems were crowing over the conservative's recall petitions. And although it's not my personal style, I think it's only fair that we now let the Repubs crow over the liberal's petitions without denigrating them for doing so. Remember, I supported the rights of the Dems to scrutinize the conservative's petitions, I just didn't approve of the method of using personally invasive and harassing phone calls.

As a contrast, Wanggaard's campaign is sending out post cards and asking those who actually didn't sign the petition, despite their name showing up on such, to contact his campaign at their convenience. To me, this is the better way of doing it.

@JRH -- I'll trade you the phone calls to Dem recall signers for the bazillion live and robo-calls I get from the GOP side whenever there is an issue up for decision. Living in Waukesha County has its downside. I'm only really annoyed if it takes me away from some other more important activity or I'm in a really bad mood.

If someone wants to call me to confirm that I signed the recall petition, I'll be happy to oblige.

@Randy1949 -

I'll join you in absolutely despising the robo-calls! I honestly don't see how anyone can think that they're money well spent.

Compas and her volunteers have been vetting the signatures as they collect them to make sure they’re accurate and not fake.................

Seems they failed BIGTIME......

@Cynthia -- Is this for the Wangaard petition or the Walker? And will the people whose signatures are being challenged be contacted so that they can defend them if necessary?

Randy, after a signature is called into question or is missing something, GAB typically then gives the petition circulator a chance to correct with the signer. It involves an affidavit that the signer has to affirm

@Noelle -- Yes I did. Because right is right, regardless. And that's why I take exception to the implication that 'liberals' are devoid of integrity just because some problematic signatures were found.

An individual petition circulator would have no reasonable way of knowing if a signer had signed other petitions in other localities. They would have no way of knowing if an individual was a felon still under sentence (and there could have been some confusion about that -- a person not knowing the law or thinking s/he had met the terms of the sentence). I saw one obviously spurious name -- Daffy Duck -- which had been crossed out, as promised.

Please, Noelle, there are more than two of us on the opposite side with integrity.

Both Lyle Ruble and Randy1949 are of the highest character and integrity, and although they may have a differing political affiliation, I consider them both outstanding members of our society and my friends. The same goes for Heather Rayne Geyer.

As far as personal attacks go, I'll reiterate what I said to Maggie:

Great minds talk about ideas. Small minds talk about other people.

Please do not drag our side (pro-Walker) down to the level of the extreme left. Let's use CCAP to check and verify the legal validity of signatures, but not to try and smear people for their political opinions/affiliations here on Patch. That's just not cool and plays right into Zeilinski's hand. Let's take the moral high ground here and stay away from the petty personal attacks. After all, we can easily beat their ideas with our ideas, so there's no need to denigrate the strength of our convictions with such antics, is there? After all, if you're going to start doing this, what would come next, banging on a drum and blowing on a plastic horn in front of liberal's house? This kind of crap is their image, not ours. Let's beat them on their ideas instead of becoming just like them.

Abiding by this standard will make our side even stronger!

Both Lyle and Randy have earned respect. It is great we can disagree on the issues without using trench warfare.
By the way: Sometimes they have a decent argument, and it makes people think.

Please do Maggie. I have nothing to hide and I've never used an alias. If you have any questions please ask. I would like to know why you are taking comments on a public blog personally and why you feel the need to "expose" me?

Where did you find this Maggie wack job from ?

Has it occurred to you, Noelle, that there may be a lot of non-conservatives who are watching this orgy of mudslinging with dismay and choosing not to post? You shouldn't pat yourself on the back for this ugly mess.

The laughable claim that one petition included the signatures of nine felons suggests deliberate Republican tampering. There is no way, short of circulating petitions inside a prison, that anyone could find nine random individuals on probation/parole all in one spot and all signing the same petition. The fact that so many people are willing to accept this as true is just sad.

Nancy: I am a Walker supporter. I agree that many are not posting because of the tone of most of the posts- on both sides of the aisle.
I also agree that it is statistically nearly impossible to find 9 felons on one form. Most forms average 5 signatures. Nine felons on the street all lined up at the same time? Not likely unless a prison van stopped at a roadside recall table.
I do not understand how the State maintains the list of felons on paper or how often they update their system. I can't imagine why they would spend the money to do that under normal circumstances.
I also agree it is unlikely to find enough fraud to disqualify the petition entirely. But I want to know the truth, is there 540,001 legit signatures or 999,999?
Don't we all deserve to know that?

I'm surprised that anyone would have trouble understanding how and why governments keep track of who is incarcerated, who is serving probation, and who is completing parole. These people have to be supervised by governmental agencies from the time they're arrested until the time they're finished with parole. Whether they're in a local jail or state prison, living at home with monitoring, or on parole; somebody is keeping track of where they are and what they're up to. How would these agencies know who they're supposed to be supervising unless they kept lists? How could an agency operate a jail or prison without knowing who was supposed to be there? Maintaining and sharing databases is a fairly simple matter in the age of electronic record keeping. I'm sure the GAB is one of several agencies that receive frequent updates so that they can keep their records current. How, for example, do you think agencies that oversee benefit programs like SSI know when to terminate the benefits of someone who has been incarcerated? The GAB probably updates their records when there's a need, as there would be when there's an election or a recall. I can't imagine that it would cost much to collect the information. It would just be a matter of assembling electronic data transmissions from the relevant agencies. Printing the lists for each polling place would be an incidental expense when compared with other costs like printing ballots and compiling poll books.

@Noelle -

When they're on a role, the fun never stops!

Honestly, I can't help but laughing when I read comments like that, no matter what side they're from :-)

@Mau -- these signatures have a presumption of validity. My mother signed. She's almost 88 and her handwriting is deteriorating badly. Her signature was little more than a chicken scratch, and her printing was iffy. But she knew what she was doing.

I signed mine in a cold wind on a wobbly clipboard. I'm sure you would like to dismiss as many signatures as possible, but this 'legal document' wasn't signed in a warm lawyer's office while seated in a plush leather chair.

I'm a volunteer. I couldn't read a single signature on a recall petition with 10 signers.

I can understand what you are saying. An occasional signature ok, but not an entire page or pages.

Of course I would like to dismiss as many signatures, just like you would like to include as many signatures.

@Mau, do you mean to say you couldn't read the printed names and addresses, or you couldn't read the signatures? That said,do you really want to read the names and addresses, or are you perhaps letting your opinions cloud your vision?

As I said, these names and signatures have a presumption of validity, just like every other name on a nomination petition or the other recalls that didn't have all this public scrutiny.

I could pick out some letters in the printed names. The signatures, for the most part, had no notieable letters of the alphabet. If a printed name had first, middle, last or hyphonated last name, the signature was just a single swirly squiggle. Municipalities were crossed off and replaced. Everything that the petitioner wrote was readable.

I have been doing family research for several years and am used to trying to decipher written text. With that I have the liberty of presuming, guessing or comparing the handwriting, names and signatures.

No it's not clouding my "vision" because of my opinion, as I have no strong views on which way the outcome of the recall petition goes. For me life will go on no matter what the outcome is. Though I would prefer it with Walker as Governor.

@Mau -- My signature on those electronic machines you get at Menards or Pick n 'Save is little more than a scribble. On checks, it's a little better -- but it's a signature. You cannot look at them and presume forgery. Not unless we'd been warned on the petition that signatures must be completely legible.

The very fact that you're volunteering to challenge signatures indicates an opinion. And as you said, you'd prefer Scott Walker remain Governor. I'd prefer he didn't, which is why I signed and why I'd insist that no one invalidate my signature without first checking with me -- just because my handwriting didn't pass muster.

Here is what you are heading for: http://biggovernment.com/cstreet/2012/02/03/new-california-budget-crisis-may-torpedo-november-tax-increase-initiative/ the perfect socialist(communist) perfect Greece- Portugal utopia. Ride to the bitter end union goons :)

@Nancy Hall -- Not everyone knows that. I was in the presence of a person who said he had an old 'incident' (from which I assumed a felony conviction) that precluded him from signing the petition, although he would have liked to. From what i just learned, he was probably eligible.

There can't be 500,000 invalid signatures on that mountain of petitions turned in.

Too bad your kind has no candidate!!

It's clearly an opinion piece and not a very maturely conceived one either. It's more like Conservative Meen Gurlz Dish Dirt. This writer might want to learn to moderate her tone a little if she wants to be taken seriously as a political operative.

I know of a felon who was still on probation and voted. I do not believe the State can track that, and certainly the polling places would not be able to either. CCAP can be used because it does track cases and provides information regading probabtion. That being said; I do not think there are many signatures that will be tossed for this single reason.

The state can and does track this information. These people are in government custody. I can assure you, having worked in a prison, that the people overseeing the prisons know who is incarcerated therein. They have lists of names, in other words. They also know who's been paroled. The GAB provides a list of ineligible voters (felons on parole) to each polling place for each election. These people would have to register to vote and if they tried to register, they'd be stopped at that point. If you don't believe me, ask a poll worker to show you the list the next time you vote. Or you could check this website, which talks about the lists. http://gab.wi.gov/node/2179

Looks like lefty Nancy Hall wants to shut down any speech that she disagrees with....typical controlling old frumpy hag lefty!

Nancy: The link only leads you to find the law. No list of felons who can't vote....just proves my statement above.
Not today--Thanks for playing.

@Craig...the lists aren't for you and they aren't for the junior detectives who are knocking themselves out checking names against CCAP. They're for polling places. If you read the website I linked, it clearly states that the GAB is not yet making electronic lists. Even when they do, it's possible that they'll be accessible only to those who oversee elections. I absolutely guarantee that on election day, there will be paper lists of ineligible voters at each and every polling place.

Try to reason this out...how could the police and correctional agencies operate if they didn't keep records of who they arrested and who was in their custody? Think about it. Schools have lists of students. Hospitals have lists of patients. Hotels have lists of guests. Businesses have lists of employees. Correctional facilities have lists of inmates.

Corrina, you are an Idiot! I looked up his CCAP. If you had bothered to look instead of trying to humiliate someone, you would have noticed that every collectionwas dismissed without prejudice, except for a speeding ticket. A speeding ticket is not a felony last time I checked. AND, the fact these appear to be simple collections. There is no crime being in debt. Looking at the dates you can see he is just one more person joining millions that have fallen into the bad Obama economy. THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY NO CRIMINAL CHARGES AT ALL! NO JUDGMENTS! You are using an alias, therefore you are a coward. Let's put up your CCAP, but we can't since you are a coward and hiding behind that alias. So, therefore, we all know you are likely one of the felons that signed illegally!

You are just trying to publicly embarrass someone in an effort to what? This article is encouraging people to make sure there are no felons signing illegally and striking signatures. Not publicly embarrass normal people that have a right to vote or sign/not sign a petition. You are an embarrassment to yourself and paint your cause in a bad way!

@Brian Thorne -- I agree that digging up people's dirty laundry and posting it here is beyond the pale. Many people have fallen into the bad economy, which began before our current Presidential administration. As such, we should ALL try to be more empathetic for those of us who have had to swallow their pride and ask for help from the government. Just for the record I'm neither on government assistance (until I reach Medicare age) nor do I appear on CCAP.

However, my main point is -- you do understand that dismissed 'without prejudice' means that the suit can be brought again? "With prejudice' means that the case has been adjudicated and is over with.

Either way, they are dismissed. Regardless, not criminal thus, not relevant to this discussion. I believe the overall point was to bring attention to Fellons, not people that have financial issues. I agree with your other points. Nice to know there are still some reasonable people on the Left.

@Lance -- Sorry, but you can't do that here.

Its actually more a commentary than an editorial, but I digress. I write many opinion pieces and I try to fact check as much as I can. I spend hours reading and calling people...interviewing and linking. I feel it is part of the responsibility. Otherwise any who-ha can type up a bunch of nonsense and fill minds with false information. Sometimes I am wrong and need to find out the hard way and admit my mistakes. But most of the time, I won't write it unless I am pretty damn certain it cannot be proven wrong.

Whether that is related to this article or not...I just wanted to mention that fact checking an opinion piece is far from ridiculous and really should be part of the process.

So..are you implying that your employer/editor lets you write editorials/opinion pieces without fact checking? No journalistic ethics problem with that? Seriously? There is an old saying : "You are entitled to your own opinion but you aren't entitled to your own facts." I really would like a statement from your editor about whether or not fact checking an editorial/opinion piece is considered "laughable" by this publication.

@Noelle Lorraine -- You know what they say about opinions. I happen to find your more aromatic than most.

Opinions don't have to be based on facts, but they are much more credible if they are.

Are you suggesting that because this is an editorial, it doesn't have to be accurate? That's an astonishing argument, but it explains a lot.

On the Senatorial recall petitions, Craig.

Duplicate 'copies' have been found in Gov. Walkers petitions.... why there are copies that is still a question waiting for an answer.... also there are many duplicate signatures... The number will quickly go down... and.... they were not correct on the turn in counts on any of the senators.... Sooooooooooooo for sure is less then a million...

@Cynthia -- Please define 'copies'. Do you mean the same name and signature on different petition sheets? Or do you mean two copies of the same petition sheet?

If it's the same petition sheet appearing twice, that's an error at the GAB -- either scanning the same sheet twice by accident, or double-posting it.

Less than a million is still more than 543,000. And it's a lot of people annoyed with our Governor.

They are 'copies'........... exact same sheet presented twice, not ran through a scanner by accident, they are individually numbered......................... (numbers are placed on the petitions by the recall committee and NOT the GAB... there is no reason for this... except fraud.

One example.... here are 2 pages from Gov. Walkers........... this also happened in the Senator petitions......... one has to wonder why 'copies' are allowed and why the dems 'copied' and submitted them as originals.

#151844+ 151845 exact copies

Cynthia: Out of curiosity, do the pages appear to be an exact copy? Or do they appear to be slightly different as a means to intentionally defraud?

They are copied and numbered to count more then once................ Question is .... Why were copies made in the first place and issued to GAB is individual pages?

Here is a set from Gov. Walker's ......

#151844+ 151845 exact copies

From Sen. Galloway's

Pages 4701-B and 4703

Pages 4705 is a copy of 1584. Even marked COPY

I would like to agree with you, but I have strong reservations about the GAB.

They would hope they don't twist more rules..... this is already being watched on a National level.

So there IS a list of non-eligible voters? Kinda proves Craig wrong in his discussion with Nancy, above.

It is heading to the courts as any GAB ruling that verifies signatures which are technically illegal or obvious fraud that ruling can be challenged in the courts.. I mean if the recall rules are not followed why have rules??? It is a pretty easy case in common sense . But the left only believes in rules when they apply too someone else. The end justifies the means for the Libs and Fraud is perfectly acceptable to far too many of them . A sad reality by any measure!

Randy: If I am wrong, show me proof. If you think there is a list that is up to date, provide a link to it. Probation and parole agents can't even get real time information, how would the GAB?