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The Rich, Taxes, and the Failure of Good Intentions

Since the Left has run out of real ideas, they are set on punishing success. Of course, it's based on "good intentions."  Not! Let's face it, taxing the rich and
corporations only punishes the working class. Why does the Left try to deny it?
Surely, they have to be able to wrap their minds around it.

Let me explain.

Lately, there have been many ideas floated around to get our fiscal house in order. On the Left, seems to be pushing only one agenda: tax tax tax. Tax corporations, tax the rich! This rhetoric has no foundation in common sense. It's nothing less than class warfare at best, and certainly the consistent knee-jerk reaction by the liberals on all levels of government.

First, let's take a look at the taxing of corporations. Are those on the Left so naive that they believe the corporations themselves really pay taxes? They do not, consumers do. No, I'm not talking about that 5.6% Wisconsin sales tax that we pay when we buy something. I am referring to the cost of doing business for companies that produce the goods we purchase. Corporations have a set amount of profit required to run their business, and enjoy the fruits of their labors. When taxes go up, do businesses have an attitude that expresses, "oh well, we will just make less profit"? Not even close, their cost of doing business just goes up so they increase prices to compensate for it. Who pays? Once again, the consumer does. Just because the Left wants to sock it to the rich.

It's not my motive to throw accusations from shaky ground here, so let's review one of the left's favorite excuses to tax the rich. The "evil" oil companies have the audacity to make a percentage of profit, so the lion's share of Democrats want to add an "excessive windfall profit" tax. First of all, who defines excessive? But more importantly, does the left really think the oil companies are going to pay that out of their "civic duty"? The answer is: absolutely not. They will just pass the tax onto the consumer by way of higher gas prices. In turn, the companies that manufacture goods will have higher transportation costs, so they increase prices, and so on. Can you see the domino effect? Not only is the individual paying more personally at the pump, they are also paying higher prices for goods. The working class has to pay double what the tax actually is. Does that sound fair, or like fiscally smart decision to you? And all this aftermath because the Left wants to sock it to the rich.

Well, why not tax what the rich buy! That will work! NOT! Remember years back when Clinton and the Democrats passed a luxury tax on yachts? This was because the rich could afford it, right? Wrong. Because of the tax, the rich simply avoided the tax by going to places like the Bahamas to purchase their yachts. The rich were still rich, still bought yachts, and the employees of yacht companies were laid off because there was a huge decline in U.S. yacht production. In fact, a few companies shut down completely, including right here in Wisconsin. Just because the Left wants to sock it to the rich!

In summary, taxing big companies doesn't work, taxing luxuries that rich people purchase doesn't work. So liberals come up with the ludicrous idea of, 'hey, let's increase the tax on their income'. After all, they can afford it, right? Wrong again. For years the Left has squawked about the rich being able to afford luxuries, like maids, landscapers, manicurists, pools, expensive cars, and so on. So, the mentality is, let's tax them, because they don't need those things, and especially since it's not fair that they have luxuries that others can't. This is in no way bashing the rich, but embracing them. They consume goods and services provided by everyday people. Why would you want to punish those with the means to consume said services? Seriously, who does the Left think provides those services? When you tax the rich, they cut back on unnecessary luxuries. For example: a rich man pays a landscape company to cut his grass every week, but then the liberals sock him with an increase in taxes, thus decreasing cash flow. The wealthy man decides to have the landscaper come twice a month, and cut his own grass the other two times to compensate for the lost income from the tax increase. Is the rich man hurt? No, he's still rich, but the landscaper that was counting on that income to put food on the table, is now seeing half the income from this source. Just because the Left wants to sock it to the rich!

In the end, it's obvious that working class pays the literal price for the increased taxes. And all under the guise of "good intentions."

So much for good intentions.

Bren

11:32 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Paris, 16 years of data show that "trickle down" economics doesn't work. And the tax rate for the upper 1% in the proposed budget is lower than during the Clinton administration, it's a compromise.

Outsourcing occurs because it is cheaper to pay someone pennies per hour in a Third World country than to pay a living wage in the U.S. I like that Pres. Obama spoke about giving tax breaks to companies that bring jobs back home.

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James R Hoffa

12:04 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

@Bren -

"I like that Pres. Obama spoke about giving tax breaks to companies that bring jobs back home."

That's funny, because when Republicans like Paul Ryan, Rick Santorum, and Scott Walker (on a state level) have all talked about, proposed, and actually implemented doing the same thing, long before Obama ever started in on such strategy, all you ever did was trash them as being the tools of ALEC, the Koch Bros, the 1%, etc.

"… 16 years of data show that "trickle down" economics doesn't work."

It's not 'trickle down' economics that don't work per say, but rather implementing a free trade policy in un-free markets with unfair trading partners. And if I recall correctly, it was the unions and Democrats that were really pushing for initiatives such as NAFTA back in the '90's, wasn't it?

Try again Bren.

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Paris Procopis

9:33 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Bren, are you saying you prefer trickle up poverty?

James R Hoffa

12:39 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Very nice write-up Paris!

What we need more than anything is complete tax reform made up of lower across the board rates made possible by an expanded base and responsible / balanced budgeting and spending. After all, everyone should be made to pay because everyone gets to play, but no one should be arbitrarily punished merely for being successful.

For some reason or another, the only party that is even talking about tax reform is the GOP, while the Dems appear to be married to using the current tax code to play class warfare with.

Hoffa's proposed federal tax code (subject to revision):

Federal Sales Tax (applicable to ALL transactions): 1.85%

Federal Income Tax (applicable to all gross income and eliminates income adjustment - deductions, exemptions, itemized write-offs, loop holes, eit credits, etc., except in limited circumstances as is necessary to facilitate fairness):

$0 - $75,000 - 9%
$75k - $150k - 10.5%
$150k - $225k - 12%
$225k+ - 13.5%

Federal Cap Gains Tax (short & long term, bracket neutral): 15%

Federal Corp Profit Tax Non-Manufacturing (offset only by legitimate losses for up to 3 years carried forward): 15%

Federal Corp Profit Tax Manufacturing (offset only by legitimate losses for up to 3 years carried forward): 13.5%

All other federal taxes, with the exception of the federal excise taxes on petro fuels, alcohol, and tobacco products and trade tariffs/taxes with unfair trading nations, will be eliminated.

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Ron Abalone

9:52 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Mr. Hoffa - Let's talk about balancing the budget before we talk about tax cuts. The Bush tax cuts did not help, in fact, it was the "lost decade". Why can't that solid Republican House of Representatives do anything about the crazy spending? And how do you come up with those percentages with decimal points, particularly 1.85%? When I took some elementary math in high school, that was called "undue precision". And I am worried about your applying your simplistic tax code "except in limited circumstances as is necessary to facilitate fairness". Is that not an invitation to have endless arguments about what is fair? What is now unfair in the current tax code?

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James R Hoffa

12:38 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012

@Ron -

To the contrary - without the Bush tax cuts, we probably would have ended up in a depression after 9/11 instead of seeing continued economic growth throughout most of the decade, as we did. After all, that's just as speculative as you claiming that without Obama's massive stimulus spending that the current recession would have resulted in a depression, right? So let's get real and drop the bunk already, shall we?

The House has been trying as hard as they possibly can - remember them passing cut, cap, and balance twice now? What has our completely eccentric Democratic Senate done to curb spending? In fact, they've refused to pass a budget now for over 1,000 days just so their anointed leader/savior can continue to deficit spend like it's going out of style!

The precise percentages found in my tax plan come from a careful and inclusive vetting procedure conducted by top Austrian theory trained economists. The 'necessary to facilitate fairness' part is when circumstances that are completely outside the realm of our control occur, such as birthing a special needs child, etc. All such circumstances would be fully defined by the code before its implementation to eliminate the scenario of perpetual argument.

What do you find to be fair about the current code? If it's so fair, then why are you pushing to raise taxes on anyone?

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Paris Procopis

12:43 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012

I believe there were 50 months of consecutive growth after the Bush tax cuts. The problem was the spending

RicanPrincess

6:27 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Patrick, the thing is, when taxes on the rich are increased, it is naive to think it is used to pay the debt down. We all know the debt goes even higher because, hey! there is more money to spend!

Bren, yes, Obama talked about it. And about many other things that did not happen.

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Cynthia

7:42 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

pat, the problem is that when they increase revenue dems increase spending.... they don't 'freeze' or pay down ANYTHING... they just pump more money into failing policy's.

Cynthia

7:43 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Paris.... wonderful write up.... surprised at the comments... it was written easy enough for ANYONE to understand...

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Noelle Lorraine

8:01 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Bravo! Well said!
Cynia is right- anyone can grasp this. Those that say they can't, are those that complain about anything the right does or says. Clearly, you're much smarter than our president. Then again, so is my pet hamster. Nevertheless, great point, excellent piece. Can't wait for more!

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Ron Abalone

9:35 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Noelle - Your hamster is much smarter than the President? And Cynthia is much smarter than the President too? Poor Cynthia, you have left us with the logic question of whether the hamster or Cynthia is smarter than the other. I believe Cyntihia could possibly be smarter, from her writing.

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Noelle Lorraine

9:42 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Ron, Cynthia is smarter than most people I know... Especially the POTUS.

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Cynthia

11:34 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

I'm so smart that I know the end of Noelle's comment was directed at Paris the author..... =P

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James R Hoffa

12:21 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012

@Ron -

@Ron -

'Smart' is such a relative and subjective term, isn't it?

But, if you were to ask me, I'd say that Noelle, Cynthia, and Paris are each individually smarter than the combined intelligence of the entire current federal Democratic Party caucus, including the current Chief Executive.

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Lyle Ruble

1:06 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012

@JRH...LOL! C'mon, what are you trying to do; get an invitation to their private club. You're too independent for that group. They are nothing more than reciters of political right wing propaganda. You have your own propaganda and probably don't play well with others. You are like me, you don't fit too well within any political ideological structure. However, I have to admit that it looks like a tempting social club. If you go for it remember to practice safety first and ideology second.

Ron Abalone

8:21 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Paris - And so, the rich people run to the Bahamas for their luxury yachts instead of helping the good ol USA and its workers? And we, the common man, should cheer them on? At least they could is just not buy a yacht under those conditions, but that would be an undue sacrifice wouldn't it, poor babies! What an incredibly self-defeating example of why we should love and admire the mansion and yacht crowd, and support their every desire. Just another example of fleeing to tax havens and lowest cost labor while acting like they are concerned about the future of America. .Wave the flag boys, let's be concerned about rich people and their luxuries, maybe they will throw us a few trickles..

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Keith Best

8:58 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Outstanding perspective Paris. You mentioned "evil" Big Oil. When you understand business, you understand profit margin. The oil companies have around a 10% profit margin. Microsoft has a 34% profit margin. Harley- Davidson has a 27% profit margin.
Who's gouging who? The media will jump all over astronomical oil company profits, yet they don't mention the much much larger amount of sales. The LEFT doesn't get that. I don't have any ties to "Big Oil" or even the Koch Bros. for that matter. But I do believe in the free market, smaller government is better, and they can't spend money they don't have.

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Paris Procopis

9:41 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Don't forget, the Koch brothers are major donors to the Wisconsin Senate and Assembly Democrats. Don't support Democrats, they have ties to the Koch Brothers!

Ron Abalone

11:18 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Paris - “I think I speak for most Wisconsinites when I say to David Koch, ‘Get out of Wisconsin and take Scott Walker’s dangerous agenda with you,’” Democratic Party of Wisconsin Chair Mike Tate said. He said this Monday . Who are the Democrats he is trying to bribe? Everyone should know, please name them.

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Leaving Tosa Soon

12:21 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Good Job Paris!

Never mind these liberal agitators like Ruble and Schmitz, they are has been 60's reject flower children still waiting for the Age of Aquarius.

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Ron Abalone

1:37 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

To Leaving Tosa Soon - ByeBye!!

Mickael S

12:54 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

LMAO@Rob...Dangerous to whom? The liberal? The union worker? You preach fairness from both sides of your mouth?
Or is it that the "Silent Majority" is not so silent anymore that has you scared?
Paris - Excellent summation of the true nature of business!
For those liberals out there reading this and spouting venom at the truth of the matter, one thing should be added...Take a business class once. You will see that there is a formula which most PRIVATE business regulate themselves by. This formula (in basic terms) means that the business has to have a certain percentage of profit to stay in business, so you tax them, they raise the price of the goods to keep the formula in balance - to STAY in business. Simple. Now, you can whine and complain that they make too much, but these are STANDARD operating procedures...If only our government would run under the same principles, there would be no arguments on any side!

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Leaving Tosa Soon

1:43 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

The "evil" Koch brothers own property worth billions in WI while employing over 3000 folks, they have just as much right to support Mr Walker as you flea bag frumpy miscreant union members have to support whatever candidate they chose.

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Leaving Tosa Soon

1:45 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

That's right Ron, bye bye to my six figure income and my $1000 a month property taxes to a state that values folks like me. Good luck splitting pennies.

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Ron Abalone

6:10 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Just out of curiosity, and caution in future travels, what state is it that values folks like you?

Satori

2:07 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

When you submit a new blog post, and you do not upload an accompanying picture, is your profile picture used by default?

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Paris Procopis

6:04 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Satori, I think so. Why, do you not like looking at my face? LOL

Lyle Ruble

4:23 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

@Paris Procopis...Patrick Ford is correct about this being a pretty weak "straw man argument". Enhancing the wealth of the wealthiest members of our society doesn't make conditions any better for the rest. We have gone through a four decade experiment of supply side classical macro economics and it has led us directly to the financial conditions we now find ourselves in. The removal of meaningful and enforceable financial regulations has been devastating, plus we are far under the marginal tax levels, underfunding government operations. In keeping with the ideology of the right, by starving the beast of government will force government to grow smaller. That is not the case, it only causes greater deficits and greater debt. Government revenues must be increased as we make significant reductions in government expenditures, beginning with the Department of Defense. In addition it is imperative to return capital gains tax back to 25% and terminate the "Bush Tax Cuts". Always cutting taxes is just fiscal irresponsibility.

Concerning passing on tax increases to customers will only work as long as you don't pass the price point where people will not purchase. Often tax rates become a fixed variables and profits will have to be up with better sourcing or higher volume. However, each industry is different on how they price and source.

For those that are interested, I am a retired business executive and entrepreneur.

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Paris Procopis

6:05 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Your illogic shows with gas, where are people going to go? Look at what ethanol subsidies have cost us per gallon. Nothing but a tax. And sadly, both Republicans and Democrats gave us that crap!

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Lyle Ruble

6:34 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

@Paris Procopis...Ethanol subsidies are a failure. This was a bad idea gone worse. Not only is it costing more for fuel, but it is also causing the price of feed grain (corn) to go up impacting the price of food. Every program subsidy has to be examined and get rid of them if they don't have any positive impact. Oil subsidies? Personally, I don't care whose bull gets gored.

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Paris Procopis

6:45 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Wow Lyle, we are in agreement!!!! No ethanol or oil subsodies! See it is possible :)

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Lyle Ruble

6:51 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

@Paris Procopis...When the Tea Party Movement first started as a grassroots movement and their focus was about the screwing we all got from Wall Street and the co-opting of our regulators turning a blind eye to what was going on, I was supportive of the movement's ideological purpose. But when the movement was co-opted by the Libertarians and Ayn Rand proponents, I was forced to examine what was really going on. Just like I can understand the 99% movement, but I can't go along with it after the attempts by the Democrats to co-opt it. I may be a social democrat, but I'm not a total idiot.

Eugene

4:26 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

You must be a failed retired business executive and failed entrepenuer if you do not understand economics.

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Lyle Ruble

4:34 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

@Eugene...Sorry to disappoint but I did very well.

John Pokrandt

9:57 am on Friday, February 24, 2012

So of course the only solution is austerity right? See how that's working in Europe as economies such as Greece are in a death spiral. As civil service postions are cut unemployment soars. Government jobs from teachers to firefighters are jobs created by the government, contrary to the Tea Party line. Tax rates are at historic lows and yet are economy is still struggling. Job creators do not create jobs unless there is a demand for their product, taxes have nothing to do with growth. Why don't we return taxes to where they were in the Reagan years?

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Alfred Kell

10:04 am on Friday, February 24, 2012

Wow did we dodge a bullet here by not having you in the primary Mr. Pokrandt. Why didnt you spew this leftist propaganda when you were talking to me at the library? You did a good job of sounding conservative.

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John Pokrandt

10:16 am on Friday, February 24, 2012

Alfred, I did a good job of talking about a vision for the future of our city. Fixing sewers and planning for economic development is not a right or left issue. I don't see my comment as leftist propoganda so we'll have to agree to disagree.

Alfred Kell

10:20 am on Friday, February 24, 2012

I can only assume it is leftist propaganda if you don't understand the problem in Greece. Greece destroyed the private sector(what is made in Greece, think about it) so austerity is the only solution.

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Ron Abalone

11:23 am on Friday, February 24, 2012

@Kell - The debt crisis in Greece was primarily caused by the Great Recession, and the resultant devastatng decline in its two main "exports", tourism and shipping. And yes, in the good times, Greece got too generous with social benefits, agreed, and got caught by the unforeseen world conditions. Conditions that brought down many otherwise astute corporations and investors.
Now, backing into the root cause, what caused the Great Recession? Socialists? Most everyone attributes it too the overly optimistic, out of control, greedy, even corrupt banks, hedge funds, investment houses, mortgage companies, etc. Hardly a Socialist among that group, or even a Democrat.

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