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Get off your high horse, Mr. Senator!

There is one senator here in Wisconsin named Glenn Grothman who is proposing a bill that states that .

OK, Glenn...You sure look like someone that understands what being a single parent is. You sure know what a single parent goes through to provide for their child. Yet, somehow we do it. This proposal of yours talks about the welfare that single parents are on. What welfare? I am on NO state assistance. I make too much. None.

You need to know something, Glenn Grothman, I am a single mom because I CHOSE to be. I know, shocking. I chose my son. I adopted him out of the foster care system. Lots of single parents do this each and every day, and take children that WERE abused and neglected out of that situation.

The same goes for gay parents, who were also names in your little proposal as a "family values" issue. Well, these people that are lacking such values have taken in children and a lot have adopted them. These are children that would not have had somewhere to go. There are not enough "marital" homes for them!

How about instead of focusing on single parents who are busy working their behinds off to support their children you focus on getting people the services and education they need to PREVENT unwanted pregnancies so that they do not feel that they need an abortion, do not abuse their children, or neglect them. If they could prevent an unwanted pregnancy that would take care of this issue.

Get off your high horse.



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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/02/glenn-grothman-wisconsin-law-single-parenthood-child-abuse_n_1316834.html

Jeff March 10, 2012 at 06:24 pm
@Melissa
"No Jeff, I love Senator Kohl." - I'm happy that is the case. That's why we have a government in place. "but he needs to mind his business when it comes to raising a child...especially when he has not raised one." - But then you are wrong for the reason you give. You just think you disagree with him, even though it's clear from statements he's made he's not referring to you or your situation.
Randy1949 March 10, 2012 at 06:24 pm
@Jeff -- I find that few of the women who bring children into the sort of situation we would consider 'at risk' are really doing it deliberately. It's more about failing to use contraception effectively and being culturally opposed to abortion and adoption. We could go further ans ask why the nuclear family among a certain demographic has been so utterly devastated. We all know that's what Glen is talking about.
This is a far cry from a single professional woman who chooses motherhood via adoption or other means in the absence of a current stable relationship. Single women (and men) can raise children just fine if they do it with their eyes open. So please let's not call Melissa selfish or neglectful. She's quite the opposite.
Jeff March 10, 2012 at 06:44 pm
@Randy1949
I never called Melissa selfish or neglectful. To the contrary I said "I applaud your decision to foster and then adopt."
Randy1949 March 10, 2012 at 06:50 pm
True -- you didn't. That was Alfred. But you see where her umbrage is coming from. If Sen. Grothman wants to address the destruction of the family structure in our urban poverty-stricken areas he should have chosen his words more carefully.
Jeff March 10, 2012 at 08:34 pm
@Randy1949
I think her umbrage is misplaced & she should have looked like I did to be sure that what she was claiming was true. I think trying to add one sentence to give direction to the state board while not making it so precise and not allowing them room for some discretion was the right approach, but probably needed more clarification, which he then provided for anyone willing to look for it.
Lyle Ruble March 13, 2012 at 02:37 pm
Let's look at this from a couple of different perspective. Senator Grothman is highly critical of those who he sees as non traditional. He also has very archaic views concerning societal values and morality. He has constantly attacked the poor on morality and a lack of personal responsibility. This latest move on his part is no different than what he has been doing all along.
Senator Grothman refuses to acknowledge that the single largest contributing variable to child abuse and neglect is poverty. In correlation studies, poverty far outweighs all other contributing variables. He could not get the advisory board to go along with this proposal and now he is using his position in the state senate to pull an end run around the board. Finally, the discussion of "bastard", "illegitimate" is moot. These terms are archaic and have no longer any legal standing. Single parenthood occurs for a number of reasons. It is not illegal for consenting adults to engage in "out of wedlock" sexual relations. Secular values and morality no longer support social sanctions for people to participate in legal adult behavior and as such, children born of wedlock or non wedlock couplings hold the exact same status. Children don't have a choice about their parent's marital status. The vast number of single mothers are white and find themselves in the circumstance due to divorce. Senator Grothman refuses to accept reality and wants to focus on his own biased views.
Greg July 9, 2012 at 07:26 pm
I guess if you do not abuse or neglect your child, this bill does not apply to you. Do you claim that nonmarital parenthood is never a contributing factor to child abuse and neglect? I see the bill as a way to help children, not hurt your feelings.
Melissa P. July 9, 2012 at 08:16 pm
He is are linking ALL single parents together. You are linking me in with child abusers, yet I am the opposite...I am a mandated reporter.
The factors that lead to abuse are: Single parenting-Well, do something about the dads and moms not stepping up to their responsibility as parents and leaving one parent to do all of the parenting. Don't punish the one left doing all of it! I do not know any single parents that CHOSE to do this on their own besides myself or other adoptive parents. Even my son's birth mom...she was 13 when she got pregnant. I highly doubt she CHOSE to get pregnant. Unemployed-Do something about this. This IS his job. Not telling parents how to parent when he is not even a parent himself! Poor-Get education and job skills to the people to help them get jobs! Get prevention methods and education out to the people to help prevent unwanted pregnancies and if people are abusing the system by having multiple children on their own then cut off their food stamps, etc. That will stop it. You do not link one entire group of people together. In that case...we are going back in time. Statistic show that crime is higher in the African American community and at night, so should we go back to curfew for African Americans? No...I don't think so! It does not hurt my "feelings" (Really?!?!). This man just needs to wake up. I get he is trying to help but this is NOT the way
CowDung July 9, 2012 at 08:31 pm
I think that raising awareness of situations where children are more 'at risk' for abuse has some merit. I don't see where anyone is being 'punished' because of the legislation--he isn't linking ALL single parents together, nor is he linking you in with child abusers...
Perhaps you are offended that you happen to be a single parent, but if bringing this issue to light can help protect children of single parents who actually are in abusive situations, then perhaps Grothman isn't wrong to bring it up.
Greg July 9, 2012 at 08:49 pm
Bury our heads in the sand then? Let's just keep setting up programs to give children breakfast and dinner at school. These kids aren't neglected, they just really like food, right? Something that is "a contributing factor" is not necessarily all encompassing and in no way is an assault on all single parents. The facts may hurt, but if the facts don't apply to you they should not hurt.
Lyle Ruble July 9, 2012 at 09:34 pm
@CowDung...That isn't how Grothman works. He was shutdown on the board on what he sits and is doing an end run. He knows absolutely nothing about child abuse and neglect. He sits and makes judgements about things from afar and attempts to legislate his very extreme views.
angie mom July 9, 2012 at 09:57 pm
Single parent households are the main contributing force behind much of the dysfunction in todays problem children. Sen Grothman is spot on, keep it up sir.
CowDung July 10, 2012 at 12:37 am
How exactly does Grothman work, Lyle? What are you claiming that he is trying to accomplish with his legislation?
The way it looks to me, Grothman has his facts right, but nobody else wants to be the one that gets accused of 'demonizing' single parents by acknowledging those facts...
Melissa P. July 10, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Let me ask you Angie Mom...should someone who does get pregnant get married just because they "Should" be married to have a baby? Is that better for the child?
Should I be getting married just to not raise this child alone? hmmm....I dont think that would be good for me or my son. Prevent unwanted pregnancies through education, the ability to get into services to help them prevent the pregnancies, etc. It is a lot cheaper than the money we throw at the issue with childcare assistance, food stamps, WIC, etc....this bill....
angie mom July 10, 2012 at 01:07 pm
My mother and father married at a very young age because of the unexpected pregnancy of my brother. That was 55 years ago, 6 children, 26 grandchildren and 5 great grand children later. You are quite arrogant in your parenting skills even though they have not been tested by the pre teen and teen years when it is mandatory to have two parents to raise young boys. God bless you, but you need to be more humble for what lies ahead.
CowDung July 10, 2012 at 01:09 pm
How much money does this bill cost, Melissa? What is the real problem with recognizing that children in certain situations could be at a higher risk of being abused than other children? I guess I'm not seeing the 'horrible' downside to this bill that you seem to be seeing, but then again I don't see this bill as identifying all single parents as abusers.
CowDung July 10, 2012 at 01:13 pm
angie mom:
I don't think that it is at all 'mandatory' to have two parents to raise boys through their teen years. I'll agree with you that having two good parents is better than one, but there's no reason to think that a single parent is incapable of raising his/her children to adulthood without a partner.
Melissa P. July 10, 2012 at 01:22 pm
I disagree that I'm being arrogant. I asked a question that is it..... I am glad your parents survived their marriage at a young age but most don't.
Melissa P. July 10, 2012 at 01:26 pm
I don't know what the bill cost there is no data that I can find about it. No matter what it cost you know it cost something to have its written up and voted on. I just believe there is no reason for this..... No reason that's it.. LIKE I SAID BEFORE YOU CAN WRITE A BILL ABOUT ALL SORTS OF STATISTICS. WE JUST DON'T
Melissa P. July 10, 2012 at 01:26 pm
NOT YELLING FOR SOME REASON TALK TO TEXT WAS ACTING CRAZY.. STILL IS
CowDung July 10, 2012 at 01:42 pm
I see a big reason for this--the first step in getting help for people that need it is to identify situations where children are at a higher risk for abuse. Keeping one's head in the sand and ignoring the statistics isn't going to help the children who are in abusive situations.
Lyle Ruble July 10, 2012 at 02:33 pm
@CowDung...Grothman is obsessed with legislating morality. This is only his latest cause. He opposes all forms of divorce, yet he has never been married and has no reported children. He is instrumental for blaming victims for their plight.
Lyle Ruble July 10, 2012 at 02:45 pm
CowDung....You are terribly uniformed about this issue. It is not single parent families that is the independent variable, it is poverty. Most single parent families struggle financially.
Let me share some data from Milwaukee County. The State Agency that oversees child welfare in the county is the Milwaukee Bureau of Child Welfare. They average 50,000 referrals per year of which approximately 10,000 are investigated. Of the 10,000 only 2,500 are substantiated for abuse or neglect. The Bureau attempts to keep families intact and works with the affected families. They only detain children in the worst of the cases and the children are placed into the foster care system. Families that are unable to be saved, the courts Terminate Parental Rights and the children are then available for adoption. In this state the investigation, foster care and adoption system is terribly underfunded. For many children who find themselves placed available for adoption, they are children of color and there isn't enough families of color available to adopt. Therefore, a sizable portion of the adopted children are transracial adoptions. Grothman is clearly not understanding the issues and has latched onto what he sees as a simple solution. We have enough problems with unwarranted criticism and discrimination, without him witch hunting.
CowDung July 10, 2012 at 04:21 pm
What 'simple solution' is Grothman actual proposing? From what I can tell, he's just seeking recognition children in single parent situations are at higher risk of being abused than those with married, biological parents.
From the study, it seems that children with 'low' socioeconomic status were almost 6 times more likely to be abused than children in 'non-low' socioeconomic status (55.1 per 1000 compared to 9.5 per 1000). When comparing abuse by living arrangement/family structure, children with a 'single parent with partner' were abused at a rate of 57.2 per 1000, while children with married biological parents were at 6.8 per 1000. That works out to a little over 8 times as likely to be abused. If one looks at sexual abuse, the numbers are even worse. 9.9 out of 1000 compared to 0.5 out of 1000. That's about a 20 fold difference. It is interesting to note that the rates of abuse under 'single parent with no partner' were much lower than 'single parent with partner'. It seems to me that there's more than just poverty contributing to the rates of abuse...
CowDung July 10, 2012 at 04:22 pm
Here's a link to the DHHS study.
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/opre/abuse_neglect/natl_incid/reports/natl_incid/nis4_report_congress_full_pdf_jan2010.pdf
Mike in OC July 10, 2012 at 04:39 pm
@CowDung .... nice response with the appropriate link.... nice job proving the Rube wrong... lol
Jim Brittain July 10, 2012 at 05:19 pm
Good link Cow! Y'all have to remember that the Rube's wife makes money from the suffering of the poor, a true poverty pimp social worker type. No mo poor=no more money for the Rube!
Lyle Ruble July 10, 2012 at 05:36 pm
@CowDung...I have read the study many times and they are correlation studies. Statistically they could be significant but doesn't indicate the independent variable. Correlation studies don't prove anything. When you run a statistical analysis on one of your projects, you certainly won't depend on correlations. You haven't debunked my basic statement concerning poverty as the independent variable. This problem is under continuous study and Grothman or anyone else shouldn't be making policies without fully studying all the studies.
Lyle Ruble July 10, 2012 at 05:41 pm
@Jim Brittain...My wife and I would love to solve this problem once and for all. At least she is trying to do something about it, what are you doing to solve the problem?
Jim Brittain July 10, 2012 at 05:44 pm
Trying to fix the problem? Really, why not try fixing the problem while not drawing a salary and profiting from the problem? I'll believe you are sincere the day you both volunteer and stop sucking funds out of the system. Give me a break!

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