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New Automated Trash Pickup Suffers Delays – And It's Your Fault!

The learning curve on properly positioning trash carts is climbing slowly for some Wauwatosa residents – and that slows trucks that now have only one operator.

Before the deployed its five a few weeks ago, it advised residents to make sure they had their trash carts out on the curb by 7 a.m.

The system, with automated arms grabbing our carts, lifting and spilling their contents into the trucks' hoppers, would be so much faster, officials said, you might just be bypassed if you lingered too long over your morning coffee.

Hasn't happened. In fact, some routes have gone unfinished on their scheduled pickup day and had to be taken up again the following morning.

At least one Friday route had to be carried over into Saturday morning.

But the blame for that lies not with the trucks, nor with their drivers – it is on us. Our bad.

"The drivers have acclimated really well to the trucks," said operations supervisor Mike Kreiter. "They got plenty of training; all of them had two weeks of practice runs."

Representatives from the company that manufactures the automated-arm systems were on hand, Kreiter said, to troubleshoot. The trucks and their picker-uppers have worked flawlessly, and the operators practically fell in love with their new equipment.

However....

Intransigent, or uninformed, citizens

"If you leave your cart against the garage wall, we can't pick it up," Kreiter said. "If you don't bring it to the curb, we can't pick it up. If you leave your trash cart side-by-side with your recycling cart, we can't pick it up. If you leave trash outside the carts, we can't pick that up."

People are doing all of that and more, and it's costing crews a lot of time and backing up pickup schedules, Kreiter said.

Under the old, familiar method of trash pickup, two operators were assigned to each truck. One would drive, the other would leap off and drag your cart to the back of the truck from wherever you happened to have left it.

Under the new system, there is only one operator, who drives the truck and, stopping in front of your properly positioned cart, toggles the arm controls to pick up and dump your cart without him or her ever leaving the comfort of the cab.

The one-operator system was expected to save the city about $150,000 in labor costs in its first year.

The problem is, if your cart isn't properly positioned, the driver does have to get out, manipulate your cart into position, then get back in and operate the controls.

Then, too – for the time being, at least – the operator has to take the additional time to fill out a polite form telling you just what you did wrong and affix it to your cart.

"We have a long list," Kreiter said. "We tried to think of everything. It's like a check-off."

So, at least the driver doesn't have to actually write you a personal note.

Put it out right, or it won't be picked up

Kreiter said that the Public Works Department's mercy was not yet strained, but it will have its limits. Eventually, drivers will just move on if your trash cart isn't positioned properly, leaving you with another week's worth of fermenting, odoriferous cart-mess.

Kreiter said there was no set date for bypassing those not in compliance, but he warned that eventually the operators would have to skip pickup rather than get out of the trucks.

There is no drop-dead date for that yet, Kreiter said.

"It's still a work in progress," he said. "But when we get a couple of months out, I think we'll have pretty much notified everyone."

No one really has much room to complain that they didn't know better.

Advance notices were mailed to every household, with a long list of do's and don'ts, with diagrams and pictures. Notice was posted on the city website. and WauwatosaNOW advised citizens of the new rules.

Yet some folks didn't get the message or have chosen to ignore it.

So, to review:

  • You must place your cart at the edge of the curb or driveway apron, or, if applicable, at the edge of your alleyway.
  • There must be at least 3 feet of clearance all around your cart – not only to the sides but behind it as well.
  • You may not leave any trash outside the cart, either in piles or any kind of container. Citizens who feel they regularly need a second cart may purchase one, subject to review, and special pickups can be arranged for an additional fee.

Check out what's overhead

There's one more obstacle drivers are encountering that wasn't as well publicized, Kreiter said.

"There needs to be at least 14 feet of clearance overhead," he said. "That's how high the arm goes."

Kreiter said that if that wasn't made as clear to residents as the other guidelines, it is because there are already codes in place specifying that overhead lines must be at least 14 feet off the ground.

"We seem to have a lot of telephone and cable lines that aren't high enough," Kreiter said. "Fortunately, we have some very good connections to We Energies, Time Warner and AT&T, so we're working on getting that addressed."

On a final note, Kreiter said that his operators are also on the lookout for recycleable materials left in garbage carts. That is a forbidden practice.

For now, Kreiter said, recycling offenses will continue to draw only a note, but eventually, citations may follow.

Citizens who feel that recycling perhaps ought to still be a matter of choice should be aware that the city makes a profit on recycling, saving every taxpayer money.

3393 July 16, 2012 at 10:48 am
What are citizens to do over the christmas and new year holiday? Drivers get the day before the eve, the eve and the holiday off. Catch up starts and then the New years off days arrive and the delay begins again. We miss a whole week of pickup and our extra garbage never fits in the cart. Wonder how this will be addressed?
alt ideas needed July 16, 2012 at 11:09 am
@3393 - don't buy so as much this next holiday season, maybe rethink your consumption of packaged goods.
the article notes, Citizens who feel they regularly need a second cart may purchase one, subject to review, and special pickups can be arranged for an additional fee.
3393 July 16, 2012 at 11:28 am
Just wonder why I should pay a fee for a missed pickup by the city? Sure, I will quit hosting Xmas dinner and celebration for my entire extended family because my garbage pickup was cancelled. That isn't the answer.
Sara Risley July 16, 2012 at 11:56 am
Maybe there should have been more thought on this. There isn't six feet available by my alley garage. Is this MY Bad????
Pudge July 16, 2012 at 12:15 pm
If i put the cart at the bottom of my driveway, I can't get out. If I put it on the curb, the trees interfere. Hmm, maybe that's one way to finally get Forestry Dept. out to trim trees sooner, rather than the five-year schedule they said. Hopefully the $150,000 savings won't be lost paying the City worker double-time to work on their scheduled days off between Christmas and New Year, or adding that second worker who will actually have to get out and grab the accumulated two weeks' worth of trash.
3393 July 16, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Oh my gosh, that's exactly what I was thinking! That 150,000.00 savings could be lost. Tosa did that last year, paid the guys double time to come in 1 day of their already paid holiday. I've gotta find that figure, the Patch did an article about it.
Nick Schweitzer July 16, 2012 at 12:43 pm
If it's not 1 degree tilted from the road, they can't pick it up. If there is a squirrel on top of the cart, they can't pick it up. If you look at the cart wrong, they can't pick it up. Maybe they should have done more careful analysis before purchasing this system. Notice how they spent all that time and effort on training the drivers? And yet the system they purchased seemed to require significant "training" for citizens. And what did we get? A leaflet? Don't blame us because you bought a system that requires perfection every time from citizens, and then be angry when people turn out not to be perfect.
Hell, I put out my old garbage cart to be picked up for an entire week when we were supposed to, and nobody ever did!
sparky July 16, 2012 at 02:38 pm
Three feet between carts whoa Nelly. On Recycle days I have 4 carts out there, 2 for my tennants and 2 for me. Add the small tree that is under the minimum clearance I have no room for alll the carts. Come winter time Do I need to snow blow the grass too? Also how can I stop the teachers from blocking the carts when school is in? I live a block away and they are in front of my house by 7:30 paying no heed to the carts out front.
3393 July 16, 2012 at 03:00 pm
Government, Local Connections, Awareness
City Trying to Take the Headache Out of Holiday Trash Pickups Refuse collectors volunteer to work on days off to keep to regular schedule. By Jim Price Email the author November 30, 2011 So the city knows of the headache and chooses to pay workers $43.00/ hour versus just working straight time Dec 23. I must be missing something.....why is 2 days before Christmas always a holiday for city workers?  
Dirk Gutzmiller July 16, 2012 at 06:35 pm
Once again, the City seems to be incompetent. As I recall, Waste Mgmt tried the robot arm idea in Tosa a few years ago, and gave it up fast.
Why does it take two weeks training? Is this rocket science? By the time you factor in the training costs, getting in/out of the cab, extra mechanicals that will break down, extra cost of equipment, trimming trees and getting utility lines changed, etc., is this another bonehead move by the City? Did they lay off anybody and save payroll? What happened to that extra guy? Is he driving another truck himself now? Another Boys with Toys episode? So many questions, so little common sense at City Hall.
Jim Price (Editor) July 16, 2012 at 09:23 pm
Well now, I guess it's true what they say about the two top priorities of municipal government being snow removal and garbage pickup. This has stirred quite a kerfuffle, and understandably so. Folks like Sara, Pudge and Sparky who believe they have space issues that might make it impossible to meet these demands should call Public Works and let them know that you need accommodations. As for the holiday issues, Mr. Kreiter said the city was planning to again spend some overtime $$$s to get trash picked up on regular schedule this year. I believe that last year's OT to pick up on an uninterrupted schedule cost a little over $10,000. I will follow up with details. I should probably have also noted that savings in the first year are expected to increase in subsequent years as the new equipment is paid off, so taxpayers should be happy about that. And yes, I think that if you have trash pickup issues because of overhead tree limbs being less than 14 feet high, Forestry should deal with that as soon as possible – not until fall, for the good of the trees – and you should not be penalized before it happens.
Pudge July 17, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Dirk, a little Tosa secret, that extra guy is now handling the recyclables. The $150,000 they claim to save by not paying the second guy and worker's comp and benefits have all been shifted to recycling. The City is handling recycling for the second half of this year, while they pay a consultant $19,000+ to create an RFP so they (the City) can submit a bid to compete to get the job to do it themselves. City leaders who wrote that clause in the bidding process should find work elsewhere. It's crazy that our tax dollars are spent on an RFP for work that should be the City's responsibility in the first place. And Jim, we've contacted the Forestry Dept. about trimming the trees. It's not on their immediate "schedule."
Mary Guentner July 27, 2012 at 03:27 am
I own a duplex with a 20 foot wide lot. I live between two other duplexes, I think their lots are also 20 feet wide. No idea how each house is supposed to fit 4 cats in that area and still be able to get out of the drive way. Great planning on Tosa's part!

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