Ryan, Walker Blast Obama's Deficit-Spending Policies

Also, Ryan deflects any talk about vice presidential nod, but Walker hints that he wouldn't mind seeing a home-grown executive-in-waiting.

Wauwatosa – Introduced by state Sen. Alberta Darling as Wisconsin's Republican "superstars" of national politics, U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan and Gov. Scott Walker on Tuesday blasted away at President Barack Obama's fiscal policies in a joint press conference in Wauwatosa.

The occasion: The fourth anniversary of a speech by then-candidate Obama in Fargo, ND, in which he branded President George W. Bush's $4 trillion increase in the national debt "irresponsible" and "unpatriotic."

There was no question, though, that despite his name being mentioned only sparingly at first, the event was all about promoting Mitt Romney, Obama's Republican opponent in November.

Comparisons to the Euro economy

Ryan, chairman of the House Budget Committee, went on the warpath first, saying that after being elected, President Obama had reversed his deficit-reduction promises by offering four successive trillion-dollar-plus budget increases and expanding the national debt by 70 percent, nearly $5 trillion more than he had inherited.

"If borrowing and spending and regulating were the secret to economic success," Ryan declared, "we'd be entering a golden age – along with Greece.

"We're not. It's because the president's economic policies are misguided; they're not working. They're costing us jobs. This is the worst economy since World War II, coming out of the kind of recession we've had."

At a campaign event in Fargo, ND, on July 3, 2008, Obama said:

“The problem is, is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion for the first 42 presidents – No. 43 added $4 trillion by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion of debt that we are going to have to pay back – $30,000 for every man, woman and child. That's irresponsible. It's unpatriotic."

Ryan would repeat his warning analogy of Obama's debt to the European financial crisis more than once.

Ryan's budget solutions ignored, he says

Touting his own proposed budgets in the Republican-controlled House, Ryan said that Democrats in the Senate and the Obama Administration have ignored fiscal responsibility in favor of continuing and deepening debt.

"The economy is not growing like it should," Ryan said, "and it's because of the president's policies. Leadership is what we need. The president has not offered a single solution to prevent a debt crisis.

"In the House, we have passed two budgets, two years in a row, that balance the budget, that pay off this debt, that get this economy growing, that deal with the drivers of this debt. That's what we think leadership is."

"We've offered specifics," Ryan said, "we've offered a plan, and we know that it's not too late to get America back on track.

"It's not too late to keep the commitments to our seniors, it's not too late to get people back to work, it's not too late to have the American idea of an opportunity society with a safety net, versus a welfare state with a debt crisis, which is what the president is taking us to.

"The list of the broken promises coming from President Obama is breathtaking."

With that, and with the warning to his faithful that Wisconsin is one of a handful of battleground states come November, Ryan introduced Walker, saying, "We have a great responsibility. We need leaders to lead. We need people to do what they said they would do when they're in office.

"That's our governor, Gov. Scott Walker."

Unkept promises, Republicans say

Walker recalled that not only had Obama , he had said closer to home, in La Crosse, that he worried about our children's future and later, in the White House, that he had a plan to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term.

"Well, today," Walker said, "we're looking almost four years later, four years after that comment and almost four years after those other promises, and we see very clearly he did not keep that promise to the American people.

"The debt has gone up by $5 trillion. The deficit is nowhere near half the size it was when he made that promise almost four years ago.

"In the case of Wisconsin, that's not just an issue for the nation. Our share of the national debt that has increased since Barack Obama has been the president of the United States has gone up by $95 billion. That's $16,720 and 1 cent for every man, woman and child in the state of Wisconsin."

Democrats shoot back

Democrats, in anticipation of Tuesday's GOP press conference, put out a statement in rebuttal even before it was over.

“The president has laid out a plan to responsibly reduce the deficit by over $4 trillion – including $2 trillion in spending cuts he signed into law last year," said state Sen. Chris Larson. "The Romney-Ryan budget, on the other hand, would explode the deficit and give tax cuts to big corporations that outsource jobs to India, China and Mexico, while raising taxes on middle class families in Wisconsin.

"Mitt Romney hasn’t put forth any plans to create job besides cutting taxes for the wealthiest, while President Obama has put forth plans that will create jobs now and strengthen the middle class, creating an economy built to last,” Larson said.

Obama spoke before crash – but repeated it after, Ryan says

The first question from the media had to do with the timing of the statement Obama had made exactly four years earlier as a candidate, in reference to subsequent events.

Wasn't it true that Obama had challenged Bush's debt increases months before the economy truly tanked in October 2008, and did that not perhaps render him somewhat less culpable for backtracking, in an effort to bolster the economy afterward?

But Ryan shot back that Obama had repeated his promises to reduce the deficit both after his election in November and again after his inauguration in January 2009.

"I was at the fiscal summit in the White House," Ryan said, "when he made that promise about cutting the deficit in half by the end of his first term. That was after he was sworn into office, that was after I was involved in all of those talks. That's when those promises came, after that crash."

Walker might like the idea of a Wisconsin VP

After that, reporters took off on other tangents, such as:

"Congressman Ryan, what's it like to be vetted as a vice president?"

"Next question?" Ryan answered with a laugh. "No comment."

Pressed that the Republican National Convention is next month, Ryan said, "Look, I don't think it's helpful to the Romney campaign to fuel this speculation, and so I just don't think it's in their interest to comment on that."

But Walker jumped to the mic, saying, "Obviously I'm a homer on this, but more importantly, you know, I like Chris Christie, I like Bobbi Jindal – there's a number of great candidates out there – all of whom are eminently more qualified than Barack Obama was four years ago... because of their background and their experience.

"But what I like even more about the fact that Paul is on that list is not only that he's from Wisconsin, it shows to me that Gov. Romney is not just serious about winning but about governing."

Walker went on to call himself "the president" of the Paul Ryan fan club and certainly did not seem to distance himself at all from the idea of a Romney-Ryan national ticket.

Polls will be polls, and there's a long way to go

Another question had to do with Romney's lackluster showing in Wisconsin polls, given that Republican Walker had just handily won a recall election to the governorship.

Romney, a reporter said, is only polling about even with Obama in Wisconsin, whereas Walker kept his seat by a larger margin than he had won it in the first place.

Walker suggested that a.) polls are cyclical and would likely move a lot between now and November, and b.) it wasn't bad at all for any challenger at this point to be polling even with an incumbent.

"My best advice (to Romney) was not about message," Walker said. "It was about a repetition. I'd like to see him in the state more frequently, because I think the more he comes back here, the better off he's going to do in the polls.

"The polls will be like a rollercoaster between now and Nov. 6."

morninmist July 12, 2012 at 03:27 PM
Hoffa Even you know that Ryan has upheld tax subsidies for oil companies. Twice this year in fact. First he votes for the tax breaks, then he says he will not support corporate welfare. He is a hypocrite!! His mouth says one thing and he votes the other way!! And I am glad he has a good Dem challenger this time. For those interested here is a petition of interest: https://secure3.convio.net/lcv/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=675&JServSessionIdr004=o3dzdm2q45.app332a And another web site of interest: http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2011/05/big_oil_tax_breaks.html
CowDung July 12, 2012 at 03:34 PM
Morninmist: Can you elaborate on what the oil company tax subsidies were for? What did the company have to do to 'earn' the subsidy?
morninmist July 12, 2012 at 04:38 PM
@Cow.. Ask a TeaRepub.
CowDung July 12, 2012 at 04:46 PM
Mornin: I prefer to ask you since you are the one that is being critical of them. Are they the same tax breaks enjoyed by other companies as well or are they specific to big oil companies?
morninmist July 12, 2012 at 05:08 PM
Cow Dung Oil companies -with there record profits do not need taxpayer subsidies--that is a given. Do they need them?--especially when we can put these tax dollars to better use with green energy.
James R Hoffa July 12, 2012 at 05:10 PM
@morninmist - The Americanprogress.com article that you linked to is riddled with fallacies of logic. Seeing as how you refuse to defend or admit to the falsity of the bs that you post when I expose it as being such, I'm not going to waste my time doing another line-by-line debunking of this article. Another thing that you liberals do which is highly misleading is the way in which you use the terms 'tax breaks' and 'subsidies' interchangeably. There is in fact a HUGE difference. A 'tax break' represents money that is yours that the government decides not to take from you, for whatever reason, that it otherwise would have. A 'subsidy,' on the other hand, is when the government cuts a check to private interests, such as farm subsidies and Solyndra. From everything that I've been able to find, while oil companies do receive special tax treatment (I'm not even sure that I'd call them breaks), they do not receive any subsidies. Please use the terminology correctly in the future, unless of course your intent is to mislead people, which as a liberal, it probably is, so never mind, carry on as usual! And no, I don't know that Ryan voted in favor of what you have called 'corporate welfare.' Could you please provide me with the bill numbers that he voted in favor of?
morninmist July 12, 2012 at 05:35 PM
Thanks for the post http://wispolitics.com/index.iml?Article=273887 Zerban Campaign: Statement on Ryan’s faux fiscal credentials 7/3/2012 ... “Congressman Ryan had 10 years in Congress – almost all with a House Republican majority – to reduce the deficit, prior to President Obama’s election. He did nothing.” KENOSHA, Wis. – Today, prior to hosting his small business roundtable on Thursday, Rob Zerban, the small-businessman challenging Congressman Paul Ryan, released the following statement regarding Paul Ryan’s faux fiscal credentials. “Congressman Paul Ryan can grandstand about the debt all he wants, but at the end of the day, Ryan is a root cause of many of the financial issues our country faces today,” said Rob Zerban. “From supporting two unfunded wars, to dumping millions of senior citizens into the Medicare Part D “donut hole” while tying the hands of the government to negotiate prescription drug prices, and from fighting for subsidies for Big Oil that his family personally benefits from, to supporting the unfunded Bush tax cuts for his wealthiest campaign contributors, Paul Ryan’s hypocrisy is astounding. “Congressman Ryan fell down on the job, and is now trying to push the blame for his bad policy decisions onto President Obama. “Congressman Ryan had 10 years in Congress – almost all with a House Republican majority – to reduce the deficit, prior to President Obama’s election. He did nothing.”
James R Hoffa July 12, 2012 at 05:47 PM
@morninmist - Thanks for proving once again that all Zerban is good at is trashing Ryan with falsehoods instead of offering up solutions of his own! Add to that, his smack talk is little more than the same old spun talking points, propaganda, and rhetoric that we've heard a million times already. In other words, Zerban is a lot like you misty! Zerban brings nothing new or original to the table. He's little more than a party line partisan hack. Ryan is at least a leader within his party. He's constantly throwing out new ideas and offering up solutions on paper. I'd say that the choice is pretty clear, wouldn't you? Zerban - an empty party puppet. Ryan - a leader full of ideas. Yep - no comparison!
CowDung July 12, 2012 at 05:49 PM
Mornin: Who are you to determine who 'needs' anything? Earning 'record profits' usually involves spending at record levels as well. Every time I get a raise at work, my income rises to 'record' levels. Does that mean that I no longer 'need' to take my the tax deductions I am entitled to?
morninmist July 12, 2012 at 06:19 PM
TeaRepublicans and Ryan are fighting a losing battle. The Atlantic ‏@TheAtlantic Poll: Obamacare is no longer unpopular with the majority of America http://theatln.tc/PP3Nwy
James R Hoffa July 12, 2012 at 06:33 PM
@morninmist - If it's such a losing battle, then why are Democrats crossing the partisan aisle and voting with Republicans to repeal? http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/politically-vulnerable-democrats-plan-back-obamacare-repeal-191746511.html
Bren July 12, 2012 at 06:53 PM
Mr. Hoffa, you haven't proven anything about people being duped by a "lefty blog." What you did do is link to a summative budget document rather than the Path (to Someone Else's) Prosperity link provided in that "lefty blog." Was your research incomplete? Were you afraid of breaking a nail following the click-throughs? Or did you purposely submit summary material as evidence? The jury's still out on that one... ; ) Anyway, here's the link to the P2P document for anyone interested: http://budget.house.gov/prosperity/fy2013.htm The tone of understated hysteria exuding from the authoritarian narration of this fishwrap reminds me of the hollow ramblings of Ayn Rand, America's favorite adulterer and passport bride (the moral compass of WI Congressional District #1). Stick to the slimy walls to avoid falling into the muck as you sludge your way through. Bring your machete and your vertigo medication as you will have to hack your way through unprecedented amounts of Tea/GOP spin. The "budget" is very short on detail. But there is some interesting information therein, nonetheless (albeit packed in animal waste products). Some folks can ignore Paul Ryan's hypocrisy. I can't. So I'm very glad I don't live in his district.
Brian Dey July 12, 2012 at 07:06 PM
Bren- It is official; you ARE just as loony as mornin(hippy artist, former teacher)mist. Thanks for the confirmation.
morninmist July 12, 2012 at 07:20 PM
So, Brian, I see you are still spreading your big LIES (besides name-calling posters). As I said before I am not an artist, nor a former teacher. You are NOT trustworthy when you spread lies. ....... Brian Dey 2:07 pm on Thursday, July 12, 2012 Bren- It is official; you ARE just as loony as mornin(hippy artist, former teacher)mist. Thanks for the confirmation.
James R Hoffa July 12, 2012 at 07:23 PM
@Bren - The article references "Ryan's Budget." I linked to the budget bill that was authored by Ryan and voted on by the House. The Path to Prosperity isn't a bill, it's a summative blueprint. But if you insist on using the blueprint, then again, I ask for the page number on which the blueprint expressly calls that tax breaks in the amount of $43B be given exclusively to petroleum and natural gas companies, as the lefty liberal blog claims - as I've read the entire 99 page document and I can't find any mention of this anywhere. So, where exactly are these "$43 Billion in tax breaks" that "Ryan's budget gives … to the companies and processes the Little family (and Ryan) profit from," coming from? Without a specific cite to something of substance, this appears to be nothing more than a made up conspiracy theory. You and morninmist are the one's who are claiming the accuracy of the article. If you did your homework before coming to such a conclusion, then it should be easy for you to cite me to a PRIMARY SOURCE and give either the page of the Path or the section number of the legislative budget bill that contains these oil company tax breaks that Ryan allegedly supports. I'm waiting…. the direct cite please!
Greg July 12, 2012 at 07:28 PM
I seem to remember several posts that were like "TeaRepublicans and Walker are fighting a losing battle." How'd that werk?
Greg July 12, 2012 at 07:32 PM
"You are NOT trustworthy when you spread lies." Does this just apply to Brian? I guess everything that morninmist spreads is just simple misrepresentations.
morninmist July 12, 2012 at 07:35 PM
@Greg For your brain to know and comprehend. I was referring to Brain's post. ............. Greg 2:33 pm on Thursday, July 12, 2012 "You are NOT trustworthy when you spread lies." Does this just apply to Brian? I guess everything that morninmist spreads is just simple misrepresentations.
Brian Dey July 12, 2012 at 07:53 PM
I don't know, morninmist, according to your blog, that's the info I got from it. Former art teacher in RUSD. Just Sayin'. If I'm mistaken, I apologize, but the gist of the post was that you and Bren are loony. That is a fact!
James R Hoffa July 12, 2012 at 07:56 PM
@morninmist & @Bren - Please cite us to either the page of Ryan's Path to Prosperity or the direct section number of Ryan's budget bill, H.Con.Res. 112, that expressly gives oil companies $43B in tax breaks, as asserted by the lefty-liberal blog that you linked to above. Again, here are the links to both PRIMARY documents: http://budget.house.gov/uploadedfiles/pathtoprosperity2013.pdf http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hconres112pcs/pdf/BILLS-112hconres112pcs.pdf In fact, I could not find such a reference in either document. So please assist by providing the direct cite or please admit that you and the lefty liberal blog were wrong and are intentionally trying to deceive people. Why do liberals intentionally target the low information, non-thinking voter? How very immoral and unethical of liberals! SHAME ON YOU!
Bren July 12, 2012 at 08:11 PM
Brian, I take your insult as the compliment to my intellect that it is. Thank you. Never change! ; )
James R Hoffa July 12, 2012 at 08:20 PM
@Bren & @morninmist - Still waiting for that citation... You know, when Hoffa is wrong about an objective fact, he admits it and stands corrected. Just search my Patch history and you'll see this to be the case. However, I've never seen a lefty / liberal admit when they're wrong about an objective fact on the Patch. Isn't that funny… While everyone is entitled to their own opinion, no one is entitled to their own facts - the facts are the facts! So again, please provide either the citation OR an admission of error. Thanks!
Bren July 12, 2012 at 08:22 PM
Not so fast Mr. Hoffa, let's stay focused on your earlier piece of evidence above (summative document). Since you yourself, the shining ideal of logic and cognition that you are, would never stoop to the ploy of trying to dazzle certain minds with your ability to link to a government document (no matter how content-free it is), I can only conclude that your research skills are under-exercised? I challenge you to actually, with bona fide links, verify/disprove the assertions. Here's that link morninmist provided again. This time, open it, and I'll give you a hint. The 2011 SEI is a good starting point. The only reason you wouldn't look into this is because you know you won't like what you find. ; )
Brian Dey July 12, 2012 at 08:33 PM
You either Bren, the humor is sooo worth it;)
James R Hoffa July 12, 2012 at 08:35 PM
@Bren - Again, the blog entry stated that "Ryan's Budget," and not his SEI's, gives the oil companies $43B in tax breaks. These aren't my assertions. I'm just looking for the primary source of this information. Where is it? How come you won't just come out and give us the direct cite instead of playing games? Why doesn't the blog cite to the primary source? What do Ryan's SEI's have to do with the budget? Why are you trying to shift the subject? Before you said that it would be in the Path to Prosperity - all I'm asking for is the page number, as I've read the whole 99 page document and I can't find the part where it gives oil companies $43B in tax breaks. In fact, I can't find wherein it references oil companies at all, yet alone giving them tax breaks. Again, I linked to the official budget bill, authored by Ryan, that was voted on by the entire house. Why do you keep on calling it a summative document? If I'm wrong, then please provide us with the proper bill number and direct cite to the section showing the tax breaks for oil companies. Last chance before your credibility goes in the toilet on this one Bren - what's it going to be?
Bren July 12, 2012 at 08:35 PM
; )
morninmist July 12, 2012 at 08:42 PM
Brian I DO NOT HAVE A BLOG! Brian Dey 2:53 pm on Thursday, July 12, 2012 I don't know, morninmist, according to your blog, that's the info I got from it. Former art teacher in RUSD. Just Sayin'. If I'm mistaken, I apologize, but the gist of the post was that you and Bren are loony. That is a fact!
James R Hoffa July 12, 2012 at 08:46 PM
@Bren & @morninmist - Last chance to either provide the cite or admit that you and the lefty-liberal blog were WRONG and were only trying to intentionally deceive people. Failure to provide a response will result in you losing your credibility on these boards!
Bren July 12, 2012 at 08:47 PM
Mr. Hoffa, the P2P document is a wealth of direct accusations and vague suggestions of solutions, isn't it. Why don't you contact Badger Democracy, discuss with them, and report back?
James R Hoffa July 12, 2012 at 09:26 PM
@Bren - Why don't you contact Badger Democracy - you and misty were the ones asserting the truth of what Badger Democracy blogged - not Hoffa! Why do we need to talk to Badger Democracy at all when we have access to the PRIMARY sources of information that are being referenced by Badger Democracy? Or can't you read and analyze the primary sources yourself - you need Badger Democracy to do it for you? This is fairly easy Bren - read the Path, read the budget bill. They are the PRIMARY SOURCES. Then tell us the direct citation to oil company tax breaks contained in both or either. If you can't find any (which you won't, because they don't exist), then man up and come back here and admit that you were WRONG and that Hoffa was RIGHT and that the lefty liberal blog is in fact trying to intentionally deceive people, you being one of the people that was duped by it. If the tax breaks aren't a part of Ryan's budget as asserted, then what does it matter if Ryan and/or his family is invested in big oil or not? How can there be a conflict of interest? Come on Bren - just admit that you were wrong. I've always had respect for you, but if you can't admit it when you're clearly wrong, you'll lose a lot of Hoffa's respect!


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