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Is Making the High School Honor Roll a Legitimate Achievement?

Students have more resources — and more pressures — than ever, yet studies suggest grade inflation is the true reason for having three-quarters of a school on the honor rolls.

bestowed honor roll or high honor roll to 686 students in the fourth quarter of the most recent school year.

The enrollment is listed as 890 this year on the WIAA website, meaning about three-quarters of the students were on that special list.

Honor rolls are similarly swelled in many suburban communities. had 221 seniors on last fall semester’s honor roll; the entire high school has about 1,500 students. ’s list from the previous fourth quarter rolled on for 17 pages and about 800 names on an enrollment of about 2,000.

A survey by the Higher Education Research Institute at UCLA revealed last year that 45 percent of incoming college freshmen carried an “A” average in high school — yet spent less time on homework than any class in the 25 years of the survey.

Conversely, greater competition for college admission and for jobs also means a greater — and earlier — emphasis on preparation than ever. The advent of 4K — not to mention suburban helicopter parents who drill their children on reading and math before they are walking — are just two factors that suggest more kids are groomed for success.

So is the booming high school honor roll a reflection of better information and preparation? Or is it simply the product of a toothless evaluation system where every child is above average? Vote in our poll and participate in the discussion in our comments section.

Nick Poulos September 9, 2012 at 11:54 pm
@Patriot, please stop drinking the tea! Continuing, continual education is a requirement for each and everyone of us for advancement in this world. Check today's NY Times for Thomas Friedman's piece.
As to the advice for November: we need to "Stay the Course" with President Obama. Turn off the tube; read; reflect; and realize that morally and ethically this Nation will be at its worst if Romney and Ryan ever were given any more power than they already have. Re-elect Obama
Greg September 10, 2012 at 12:07 am
Make sure you get the bumper sticker.
Luke September 10, 2012 at 12:18 am
Lyle hit the target.
Patriot September 10, 2012 at 12:19 am
@Nick-Seriously. This man and his admin is steering this Country to disaster!! I for one am in no way better off than I was 4 years ago. Obamas policies are crippling this Country!!! He has no plan to pay for his so called great ideas. Socialism will not and does not work
Luke September 10, 2012 at 12:19 am
In defense of both the teachers and the taxpayers, teachers and money can only do so much. The families children come from are a huge factor in the success of children. Poor families with a "tiger mom" (or dad) can't be held back, which is one reason the ivy schools have been accused of trying to limit the number of Asians they enroll, because there are too many.
Invest in your own children's social and cognitive development with your own love and time and get your family the heck out of the inner city as fast as you possibly can.
The Anti-Alinsky September 10, 2012 at 12:25 am
Heather, great point about special ed, but I think that is more of a symptom rather than the problem. I refuse to believe that, as a whole, people that live in lower income areas are less intelligent than those in more affluent areas. I do believe that the culture in under-performing areas is largely to blame. We need to invoke a fundamental change in these areas so that they become assets to this country rather than a burden.
Muskego Mike September 10, 2012 at 12:35 am
I agree with the Eagle Scout comment and I think it's very sad.
Nuitari September 10, 2012 at 12:40 am
I'd say how many likes you get on Facebook is a more important achievement now.
Atron September 10, 2012 at 01:38 am
As one who works with some of the upper class kids, I can say that they are dumber than a box of rocks. Oh sure, they maybe know a little about some far out theories in math, science and what not, but they know little else, let alone anything practical and being able to work with ones hands and brain and real world problem solving. Work ethic, forget about it. Some are to dumb or too lazy to read a work schedule, let along show up for work at the appointed time. Unless you have a cell phone taped to a work assignment, little gets done as many have withdrawal symptoms. I ask what they need calculus for, or AP anything, etc. The standard answer is that "they don't, but they have to take it". Civics, not even on the radar screen. Many can't tell you who their school principal is, let along any other elected "leaders" from local to the world. These are your future voters!!! The school systems and their parents are driving their kids into the ditch with the major emphasis on sports of all kinds and the excessive taxpayer spending that goes with it. Its all about playtime rather than practical things. Its about time we get back to reality and people being able to do things and have problem solving skills instead of some far out book learning that gets you on the "Honor Roll". You can't eat the honor roll, but working with you hands and brain you can put food on the table.
Unions_NO September 10, 2012 at 01:54 am
@Marie: assignments in the AP classes at GTOWN HS that my daughter has taken cannot be turned in late at all. She broke her leg last year, and we spent the evening late at the hospital until nearly midnight. We have raised her to always have the assignment or project done the day before it is due, just in case. She dragged herself in, half asleep, on crutches and handed over the flash drive with the project on it. It was good for her to see that like adults in the real world, when it is due, it is due. She said she was glad that we had raised her and her sister that way. I also laugh a little at the article. When they were in elementary and middle school, the cut off for an A-/B+ was 93, not 90/89. In addition, many of the GTOWN AP classes do not give out any A+ grades, only an A, regardless of how high the percent is. That seems to annoy her.She enjoys her studies and doesn't understand why she should not get the + if she gets 100 or a 99. So, to answer the question, YES, it is an accomplishment IF the school you are attending makes it tough to get the good grade. If there is a curve, then NO.
Warriors Mom September 10, 2012 at 02:08 am
No bumper stickers for me Greg.
wfb51 September 10, 2012 at 11:39 am
There is not a huge problem with grade inflation - if most of the kids study hard and excell on the tests how do you reflect that - give kids different grades for the same score? What are you going to do give one an A and one a B just cause?
Anybody with teens knows that they have to compete much harder than before to vie for admission into top schools. Perhaps in the 70s less kids tried to apply to these schools and more kids opted for trade schools, IDK. I will tell you it is truly much more competitive now. My friends joke that we wouldn't have gotten into college now with how little studying we did "back in the day". Talk to the guidence staff or college prep teachers - the hoops kids have to jump through now is way more than we had to: grades, leadership, jobs, volunteering, sports/music. Perhaps this is just more reflective of the North Shore. No lie but when I volunteered with first graders I heard six year olds talking about wanting to go to Harvard when they grew up. Honestly, our schools are great but the families are the main influence and set the tone by example. The apples don't fall far from the trees!
Lyle Ruble September 10, 2012 at 05:37 pm
@wfb51...If the course work is sufficiently challenging, then the grade distribution should resemble a standard bell curve. If a curve skews to far one way or another, it is an indication that the course is either too easy or too hard. If there are too many As and Bs, then the course is not rigorous enough. The vast distribution should be around C level. One of the critical issues to discuss in parent-teacher conferences is the grade distribution. As far as I'm concerned there isn't any reason for a grade of A+. My preference is fail/pass and to graduate a student must take comprehensive exams at the end of school. That is when class standing would also be determined. this is the way that most European systems work.
I really don't think students are all that challenged in secondary schools. Back in the day; most of us also participated in volunteer work, sports programs and work. We didn't get any breaks with our academic performance because of outside activities.
CowDung September 10, 2012 at 06:13 pm
I like the idea of an exit exam, but it seems that a pass/fail system without grades or class rankings would make it difficult to identify students that would benefit from taking honors/AP level courses, and weed out those that aren't academically prepared to be taking those courses.
Bren September 10, 2012 at 06:26 pm
A young relative of mine (a reverse 220 student) didn't get a break on academic performance because of an outside activity in high school, but it did provide the opportunity to use that activity as a phy ed independent study, freeing that hour for another AP class.
While that worked well for the relative, I have to reflect that this is yet another symptom of the uneven playing field. Another MPS student without an extracurricular activity may not have had the same opportunity.
Sunrocket September 10, 2012 at 08:11 pm
I went to Nicolet in the 70's and it was not easy. With class sizes over 500, Madison only took the top 10% so there was indeed competition. I know people today think kids have it much harder but think about it - prior to the late 90's you actually had to go to a library and look things up in a book for reference, there was no internet, no social media to converse with classmates. You had to actually pick up a phone. Most of us also had jobs back then as well as sports and extracurricular activities. I am also reminded of my forefathers that in addition to school worked jobs with much longer hours than kids do now. I am not saying that the curriculum is the same as it was in the past but parents today just think their kids have it harder because they are coddled too much. It is the parents that are competitive. They all want to think that their little Johnny is so much more special than my Billy because he get's A's and plays volleyball and soccer too. I left the house at 7 a.m. in high school, went to school, did after school things, worked, came home, ate dinner, and did homework. All without my parents steering my way. They expected and assumed I got my homework done without standing over me the whole time. If I had not done it - my grades were reflected. I truly fear for the future with this current generation.
Lyle Ruble September 10, 2012 at 09:19 pm
@CowDung...There wouldn't be such a thing as AP courses. Just like when I was in school, harder courses were only offered to higher achieving students and could only be recommended by instructors.
Angelene September 11, 2012 at 09:07 am
The RUSD didn't even post High School honor rolls in the paper for 2010-2011 school year. My daughter had high honors (3.75 GPA) wanted to see her name in the paper & due to a rearranging in the infrastructure of Central Office I was told they didn't have time to put it in there. Thankfully, they put 2011-2012 Honor Roll in the paper. I think that with all the negativity put out about our schools & teachers in the District, it is nice to see something positive & Honor Roll reflects that.
wfb51 September 11, 2012 at 11:01 am
I respect your opinion BUT in a community like ours where the kids work hard it will not reflect a bell curve. Given that kids perform well on the ACT, SAT, SAT 11 and and the AP tests that is proof that many are, indeed, above average.
There is a lot of pressure on these kids - why burn them out by making sure there are enough C's to make YOU happy? Especially when the kids have shown they have mastered the material in class.
Christine September 11, 2012 at 04:55 pm
When I was in HS, I was required to take ONE science class, no economics, no physics, and I had all my homework done by 9pm. I had to, because it was lights out in my house at 10pm. No exceptions. (Even when I was in college, which resulted in my moving into the dorms, even though school was only 5 miles away.) These kids are beat. They have reflux and dark circles under their eyes at 16. =
Greg September 11, 2012 at 05:15 pm
But they have time to text, IM, facebook....etc. Some studies show students average 6 hours per day on these items.
wfb51 September 12, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Oh Greg.....like YOU didn't have time to watch TV, talk on the phone and attend football and basketball games (a lot of kids don't attend all of these games like I did bc they are busy doing their own activites - including studying). I for one wasted a lot of time practicing fancy ways of signing my signature (including the dreaded o over the letter i) and trying to figure out the best ways to "bump into" cute guys in the hall between classes LOL>
Greg September 12, 2012 at 02:36 pm
wfb51, It sounds like you had a lot of time to hone you excuse making skills too. I guess I live in a world of reality and I only pointed out that the claims of "reflux and dark circles" are overreaction, by the gullible. I had many activities outside of school, but my parents never hopped on the overworked student pity bus. If your kids are that overworked, you had better find out why, but I bet it is because they are feeding you BS, with a pitch fork and you are eating every bit of it.
wfb51 September 13, 2012 at 12:05 am
Honestly, you don't have a clue what goes ion n someone else's house - what stupidity to comment. I am around 24/7 - very involved with my family. I never said they were overworked - just working harder than we all had to years ago. THAT is a given in the North Shore - I don't think to speculate what is happening in your house or your school system. Unlkie you - I don't pretend to know what is transpiring in a stranger's house. Have you gone through the college admission process with kids? Have they attempted and had sucess getting into competiive colleges and universities? Was this achieved by their getting to bed at 9:00 pm?
Sunrocket September 13, 2012 at 12:14 am
wfb51 - I hope it is worth it for your kids in the end...........................There are many way's to be successful. Not all of them have to make a person crazy.
wfb51 September 13, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Read my above posts - I NEVER said MY kids were worked into a craze - I just said they work harder than WE had to in the past. And, yes, they are happy and well-adjusted and a couple are now graduates from fine colleges and paying hefty amount of taxes! We are a work hard, play hard family and they are well-rounded. I consider them successful BC they are also kind and funny in additon to hard-working.
Why the judgement? All I have said is that kids work harder today than kids did in the past so they deserve to be rewarded. This certainly does not pertain to schools that just "pass" kids, obvi, but it does pertain to schools that expect achievement. I think most people from high-achieving schools would agree. I never said my family is crazed just that they have to try a little harder to get into the same types of colleges my husband and I got into. The environment today is much more competetive - look ---you have 4 year olds in organized sports! I never said I agree with this - I just said it exists. I am simply acknowleging that aspect.
Greg September 13, 2012 at 03:26 pm
"Honestly, you don't have a clue what goes ion n someone else's house - what stupidity to comment."
Take your own advice. Read the thread again and see who went off track. As for the rest of your questions, my kids attend Marquette and Xavier, they worked hard and played hard, but they never played their parents for a fool. At any time my kids were over tired, we addressed the problem and found the source to be other than school work.
wfb51 September 23, 2012 at 12:53 am
umm - Greg - you continue to judge so I must comment that I am talking about kids that are trying to get ACT scores in the 31 plus range in order to compete for spots at TOP schools. No judgement but check on the average scores of different schools than your kids are in and also the requirements of grades, etc.
Greg September 23, 2012 at 12:58 am
Please quote WTF you think you are talking about.
kaylla October 31, 2012 at 07:20 pm
are you a ss teacher

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